bigyetiman
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So did OH and boy do I know about it. !!!
Osprey return
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Margaid
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Just waiting for Aran at Glaslyn and Glesni at Dyfi. and hopefully a new mate for Blue 24!!!!!
rick
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Are there uncharted nests that know one knows about (daft question as no one would know about them!) or are ospreys so well watched over that all the active nests are monitored in one way or another?
... Could Blue 24 start up a new nest from scratch in these times? And would we know if she did?
... Could Blue 24 start up a new nest from scratch in these times? And would we know if she did?
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Presumably there may be one or two in remote places. There will be some unknown to the general public but are watched.
Yes she could, or more likely take over an empty nest, most raptors like to go for a ready made nest, even to the point of ousting corvids from a nest. Such much easier then self build. be nice if she moved to an osprey free area and started up a new site
Yes she could, or more likely take over an empty nest, most raptors like to go for a ready made nest, even to the point of ousting corvids from a nest. Such much easier then self build. be nice if she moved to an osprey free area and started up a new site
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Ah, I couldn't imagine them knocking up a new nest from scratch the same as Mrs G's. They can easily expand out into new territory then if it takes their fancy (and there's good fishing on hand). That's good.
Thursday's FB post from Glaslyn;
"Rutland born female 3J was at Dyfi late this morning. This afternoon she has paid Glaslyn a visit. Not sure Mrs G was too impressed!
Just before 6pm this evening an unringed male osprey landed on the Pont Croesor nest with a trout. The osprey looked very much like Aran, but we needed a little more information to convince us that it was him as we know there is an Aran lookalike in the locality. He spent almost an hour and a half on the nest eating the fish before flying over towards the Glaslyn nest.
When he arrived at the Glaslyn nest he did not attempt to share his fish with Mrs G and neither of the birds mantled towards one another. We witnessed this mantling behaviour when Aran and Mrs G first met one another again at the start of last season. There was no flirting between the birds, flirting was a behaviour displayed when Aran and Mrs G first met last year. When the male osprey left the perch as light was fading, he did not fly towards the trees Aran has roosted in during his previous breeding seasons at Glaslyn.
We will see what tomorrow brings."
and today;
"The male osprey on the nest with Mrs G is HR7. He is a four year old Scottish ringed osprey we saw at Glaslyn last year. The two birds seem quite comfortable with one another at the moment."
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30073099_987517318065186_904626255289849551_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4e80fa1644aca9486f9f7b3c97d79fa2&oe=5B6DBC7E
"Rutland born female 3J was at Dyfi late this morning. This afternoon she has paid Glaslyn a visit. Not sure Mrs G was too impressed!
Just before 6pm this evening an unringed male osprey landed on the Pont Croesor nest with a trout. The osprey looked very much like Aran, but we needed a little more information to convince us that it was him as we know there is an Aran lookalike in the locality. He spent almost an hour and a half on the nest eating the fish before flying over towards the Glaslyn nest.
When he arrived at the Glaslyn nest he did not attempt to share his fish with Mrs G and neither of the birds mantled towards one another. We witnessed this mantling behaviour when Aran and Mrs G first met one another again at the start of last season. There was no flirting between the birds, flirting was a behaviour displayed when Aran and Mrs G first met last year. When the male osprey left the perch as light was fading, he did not fly towards the trees Aran has roosted in during his previous breeding seasons at Glaslyn.
We will see what tomorrow brings."
and today;
"The male osprey on the nest with Mrs G is HR7. He is a four year old Scottish ringed osprey we saw at Glaslyn last year. The two birds seem quite comfortable with one another at the moment."
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30073099_987517318065186_904626255289849551_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4e80fa1644aca9486f9f7b3c97d79fa2&oe=5B6DBC7E
And this morning, more news from Glaslyn.
"We are almost certain that the male osprey who delivered a fish to Mrs G at 11:04 is our breeding male Aran. Welcome home."
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29793530_988035958013322_2415821726862984977_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=771a7479f33d199254e8c40743a19861&oe=5B2F4B25
"We are almost certain that the male osprey who delivered a fish to Mrs G at 11:04 is our breeding male Aran. Welcome home."
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29793530_988035958013322_2415821726862984977_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=771a7479f33d199254e8c40743a19861&oe=5B2F4B25
When I posted was anyone missing the Dyfi chat, what I really meant was as a way of keeping us informed of what was going on, not contributing!
Marigold is doing a very good job of relaying what's happening at Glaslyn for those of us who, for whatever reason, would rather keep away from FB.
Marigold is doing a very good job of relaying what's happening at Glaslyn for those of us who, for whatever reason, would rather keep away from FB.
The pics I posted from FB would of course be visible anyway to those who were on FB, but please could someone tell me if the links can be activated by people who are not on FB, or not logged in. Glaslyn doesn't seem to update its news on its own website so regularly as on FB.
Oh that's good, I'll keep posting them then.
As a non-FB user I have just been able to access the Glaslyn FB page and can see the posts and photos. All I get a Login/Create new account message at the bottom of the screen. I've also been able to access Dyfi FB page with the same message.
For a reason I don't understand if I scroll down the page I can now see comments that are made on both the Glaslyn and Dyfi sites! In the past, after a short time viewing 'shutters' came down and you had to login to continue. Does anyone know what's changed to allow me to do that?
For a reason I don't understand if I scroll down the page I can now see comments that are made on both the Glaslyn and Dyfi sites! In the past, after a short time viewing 'shutters' came down and you had to login to continue. Does anyone know what's changed to allow me to do that?
Glaslyn FB page, 2.15 today;
'You'll remember there was some doubt as to whether the male osprey that landed on the Glaslyn nest on Thursday evening was the same one that brought a large trout to Mrs G on Friday morning. We have now managed to compare 2 images which seems to prove that it is the same osprey. We are now certain that this osprey is Aran. Both Mrs G and Aran are pair bonding exactly as expected.
Keep an 'eye' out for another post later today which will further explain how we have identified this male osprey to be Aran.'
https://www.facebook.com/BywydGwylltGlaslynWildlife/photos/a.167529850063941.1073741825.164696917013901/988618731288378/?type=3
'You'll remember there was some doubt as to whether the male osprey that landed on the Glaslyn nest on Thursday evening was the same one that brought a large trout to Mrs G on Friday morning. We have now managed to compare 2 images which seems to prove that it is the same osprey. We are now certain that this osprey is Aran. Both Mrs G and Aran are pair bonding exactly as expected.
Keep an 'eye' out for another post later today which will further explain how we have identified this male osprey to be Aran.'
https://www.facebook.com/BywydGwylltGlaslynWildlife/photos/a.167529850063941.1073741825.164696917013901/988618731288378/?type=3
Margaid
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A very interesting post on the Dyfiproject FB page to
http://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdyfiospreyproject%2Fposts%2F1849028648461334&width=500"
Once you have the page displayed, click on "See more" in the post and it should come up full screen.
http://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdyfiospreyproject%2Fposts%2F1849028648461334&width=500"
Once you have the page displayed, click on "See more" in the post and it should come up full screen.
That's a fantastic page, I didn't realise it was there. Very interesting, esp. the info about how the female osprey delays actually producing an egg until she's sure the male is the one she wants, and one who will stick around. Have now Followed it.
Today from Glaslyn on FB. I think Mrs G. is very lucky to get such excellent shopping deliveries. Even better than Waitrose!
Aran spent much of yesterday in and around the Glaslyn nest being very attentive towards Mrs G - on one occasion bringing in a large, complete rainbow trout.
We had great views of the ospreys in the air from the visitor centre especially when Aran passed at very close quarters on one of his fishing trips.
There were a couple of intrusions high above the Glaslyn nest by what we suspect to be a male osprey as Aran mantled below. We were not able to identify the intruder but believe it may have been HR7, seen here with Mrs G last Thursday before Aran’s return from migration.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30073087_989949854488599_3972950587122724277_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEHzcouMbdjzNV9Y4JONAWuHsSy68M7arYPVozcBYqAfN8yj3xr_tIr9iCKAGpfpnvcEl_Xfasw4j5NaATN13_2Tjr0wcO4Z1Oafub1T0R8aw&oh=aa3f143ca6adeb000d44aa3c2a027d36&oe=5B7012D3
Aran spent much of yesterday in and around the Glaslyn nest being very attentive towards Mrs G - on one occasion bringing in a large, complete rainbow trout.
We had great views of the ospreys in the air from the visitor centre especially when Aran passed at very close quarters on one of his fishing trips.
There were a couple of intrusions high above the Glaslyn nest by what we suspect to be a male osprey as Aran mantled below. We were not able to identify the intruder but believe it may have been HR7, seen here with Mrs G last Thursday before Aran’s return from migration.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30073087_989949854488599_3972950587122724277_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEHzcouMbdjzNV9Y4JONAWuHsSy68M7arYPVozcBYqAfN8yj3xr_tIr9iCKAGpfpnvcEl_Xfasw4j5NaATN13_2Tjr0wcO4Z1Oafub1T0R8aw&oh=aa3f143ca6adeb000d44aa3c2a027d36&oe=5B7012D3
FB, from Glaslyn;
Aran and Mrs G have spent much of today around the nest pair bonding. Both ospreys have been busy bringing in nesting material and sticks and we noticed that a nest cup was starting to be formed during the afternoon. It is possible that an egg could be laid as early as next Sunday, although it is more likely to be the middle part of next week.
Here is a photo of Aran sitting on the nest this afternoon. He is quite a looker.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/29872174_990524007764517_3606189587383499136_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHb92QrpQjMLLhKwaAZm3pVD3WIq9xzdudphPieZMvqUQZgZ14fi3aAUB3PICX0bNYNot1-Ed1Oq0G9si-cxUDAwzPawjB6FQUFCuMe61trsg&oh=e688558d05e2eb08a2575b39e8096224&oe=5B2AF1BD
Aran and Mrs G have spent much of today around the nest pair bonding. Both ospreys have been busy bringing in nesting material and sticks and we noticed that a nest cup was starting to be formed during the afternoon. It is possible that an egg could be laid as early as next Sunday, although it is more likely to be the middle part of next week.
Here is a photo of Aran sitting on the nest this afternoon. He is quite a looker.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/29872174_990524007764517_3606189587383499136_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHb92QrpQjMLLhKwaAZm3pVD3WIq9xzdudphPieZMvqUQZgZ14fi3aAUB3PICX0bNYNot1-Ed1Oq0G9si-cxUDAwzPawjB6FQUFCuMe61trsg&oh=e688558d05e2eb08a2575b39e8096224&oe=5B2AF1BD
FB, from Dyfi this morning;
Bore da
Let's apply some science to this.
Of the 36 established UK breeding ospreys in the 'public domain' that were back at this stage, 12th April, last year, nine have yet to return. That's precisely 25% of them. Of those, six are 10 days 'late' or more.
On average, 92% of established breeding birds return successfully every year, so 8% die. There are 'good' years and 'bad' years, but there's no way that this 8% mortality rate is suddenly 25% this year.
So what's the reason? We know that severe weather further down the migration path has been awful this spring - so suddenly we have an answer for the 25% late birds.
Add to this that 2017 seems to have been an 'early' year for arrivals, so these birds are not as late as we make them out to be.
Glesni's average (last four years) arrival date is around 5th April, so today she is exactly a week passed this; an amount of time you could reasonably put down to the known weather disruption further south. So in reality, knowing what we do about Glesni's historical arrival times and disruptive weather patterns, we would actually expect her back today or over the next two or three days.
We're not saying all of these nine 'late' birds are safe and well, but most of them will be.
There's warm weather coming over the next few days, blowing up from the south. Our prediction is that most of these nine birds will arrive safe and sound over the next week.
Let's hope Glesni is one of them.
Chin up.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30629606_1854442924586573_5448621225674801152_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEqCJYgGAVgsMUFUdVBv2OqXXxqt4JJhRklwEyoK15fx6WmOY-cLlUSqQZSk6N3q0v00YF7xLbKPdUIshEsxJCcW8cRGojuzmyprFH2Lv8SqQ&oh=169d4d4d8757e9319ae853def85ab69d&oe=5B27ABBF
Bore da
Let's apply some science to this.
Of the 36 established UK breeding ospreys in the 'public domain' that were back at this stage, 12th April, last year, nine have yet to return. That's precisely 25% of them. Of those, six are 10 days 'late' or more.
On average, 92% of established breeding birds return successfully every year, so 8% die. There are 'good' years and 'bad' years, but there's no way that this 8% mortality rate is suddenly 25% this year.
So what's the reason? We know that severe weather further down the migration path has been awful this spring - so suddenly we have an answer for the 25% late birds.
Add to this that 2017 seems to have been an 'early' year for arrivals, so these birds are not as late as we make them out to be.
Glesni's average (last four years) arrival date is around 5th April, so today she is exactly a week passed this; an amount of time you could reasonably put down to the known weather disruption further south. So in reality, knowing what we do about Glesni's historical arrival times and disruptive weather patterns, we would actually expect her back today or over the next two or three days.
We're not saying all of these nine 'late' birds are safe and well, but most of them will be.
There's warm weather coming over the next few days, blowing up from the south. Our prediction is that most of these nine birds will arrive safe and sound over the next week.
Let's hope Glesni is one of them.
Chin up.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30629606_1854442924586573_5448621225674801152_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEqCJYgGAVgsMUFUdVBv2OqXXxqt4JJhRklwEyoK15fx6WmOY-cLlUSqQZSk6N3q0v00YF7xLbKPdUIshEsxJCcW8cRGojuzmyprFH2Lv8SqQ&oh=169d4d4d8757e9319ae853def85ab69d&oe=5B27ABBF
Margaid
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If a female Osprey can delay creating an egg until she's sure she has a suitable mate, presumably (rather like a Queen Bee) she is storing the sperm inside her. Having mated with HR7 and now Aran the question is:
Who will be the father of Mrs G's chick ?
Who will be the father of Mrs G's chick ?
