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charliefox

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hi all me again just bin reading about a bloke down in dorcet it appears some doughnut moved in from outside and complained about his rooster making to much noise.why dont the people who make the programe escape to the country make all townies aware of such things after all these cretures were there first. who upholds there rights ? and what ever happened to free will .it seams to me that these people that do all the the moaning think only of them selves and no one else.after all they banned fox hunting and hand guns and what happened armed crime went up and people still hunt.why cant they leave our way of life alone.i mean do you here country folk telling townies how to go on. all the best uncle fox
 
down road from me chicken farm was closed down because 1 towny moved in and complained about the crowing. they moved in knowing it was there. ey hadbeen breeding for about 30 years i think. they couldnt do it so easy now but this was fue years back.
 
i would agree what chariefox says there seems to be that old saying them and us but i would like to say not all townies are like that some move to countryside to embrace the country way,by the way i'm country born and breed, a few years ago i had same trouble with 1 person complaining to council about my cockerel crowing but after many long vists from council the complaining stopped i would like to add he was country person,the trouble it only takes 1 complaint and council have to act.it is a shame that the country way of life is changing and not for the better i might add,if it was left to country people to run the countryside and not someone who don't know their a*se from their elbow things would be a lot better let me say sorry to any 1 if this offends but this is my opinion
 
Due to a recent test case, which the Environmental Health have been slow to apply, if the noise was there before and the new owner could have been aware of it before purchase, that is he could have bothered to find out if so minded simply by asking or looking, there is no nuisance as the noise was already established and the porevious owner had no complaint. Also to prove noise nuisance it has to be above what can be tolerated by a normal person. The previous owner tolerated it. Also if it is a noise to be expected in the area, like a country noise -tractors, farm animals, owls at night and cockerels in the morning, there is no nuisance. So best thing to do is tell the new neighbour where to go !!!!!
 
Charliefox, you seem to have an axe to grind about 'townies'.Firstly the fox hunting ban was supported by 72% of people in rural areas only slightly less than the 80 percent of 'townies' that supported it. With regards to the handgun ban it was brought in by the Conservative government who had nearly all the rural MPs in the country at the time, this ban affected more 'townies' than country folk as most of the guns banned were used for recreational target shooting, as a 'townie' myself I don't seem to remember either myself or any of my 'townie' friends being particularly hot under the collar about either issue or demanding a ban on either. While I agree with you that complaining about a rooster in the countryside is daft, especially if you have decided to move in next to it, its one person, I have lived in both the city and the country and to be honest you get a load of moaners in both, thats just people for you.
 
I don't think a person's tolerance of noise has anything to do with whether they grew up in the country, live in the country now, or are basically a town person. A few years ago, a neighbour two doors away got chickens, including a cockerel, which was very loud and annoyed us when it constantly crowed all day, wrecking the peace of our quiet garden. We sleep at the front of our house, but if our bedroom had been at the back this bird would have also badly disturbed our sleep once the light mornings came. The neighbour next to the cockerel was driven nearly to a nervous breakdown by this bird. He could be heard out in his garden, loudly mimicking the bird's crowing and shouting at it SHUT UP!! SHUT UP YOU BLOODY BIRD!!!! Now this man was an air traffic controller, so it was pretty important he got his sleep and didn't go totally off the rails. It would have been funny if it wasn't so tragic, really - this man was suffering. Both of our families had lived there for many years, and the cockerel was imported by a new person to the road. It was such a relief when eventually they moved away, and someone else moved in with hens but no cockerel. As you know I'm very pro-chicken, and also I'm 'country-bred,' whatever that may mean, but if it got under my skin, no wonder it annoyed the rest of the road.

Yesterday I was out walking the dog and I could clearly hear a cockerel crowing from a farm 3 fields away. It sounded good, at that distance, across the fields, and it lives in a suitably isolated spot, but it's not the same if it's not your own bird, and it lives at very close quarters. Strange as it may seem, not everyone likes chickens, or can stand cockerels crowing incessantly, it has nothing to do with where you were brought up or where you have moved to. We can't all live 3 fields from anyone else on a smallholding somewhere. For the majority of us who have to live close to others in our tiny island, whether in town, village or country, it's good manners to control the level and type of noise which emanates from your property, whether we're talking about cockerels, dogs, parties, radios in the garden, screaming kids, motorbikes, guns or whatever. And ranting about 'townies' as if they were some subspecies of human being just shows ignorance and prejudice, in my opinion. Of course, before you move in, you make enquiries about what goes on in the neighbourhood. If someone moves next to a chicken breeder, they would be stupid to complain about the noise, just the same as if they moved next to a kennels or a railway line, but with so many people keeping a few chickens and then wanting to breed, a cockerel may pop up anywhere in someone's back garden, and to object to it because you can't stand the noise shouldn't be seen as failure to 'embrace the country way of life.'
 
Just to throw a bit more into the pot. With regard to the hunting ban Dinosaw you will probably find that 72% of people in rural areas are 'townies', not that it was them that voted in the Hunting ban. I was a townie in a small village, as were all the others on the Parish Council. Nobody else could be bothered about preserving Country Life, they just wanted to keep developing their farmland to make more and more money.
I know for a FACT that the gun ban was actually to protect the Government from civil uprising. The number of guns in private hands was 10X the number held by the combined armed forces. That's why they spent the equivalent of building 10 hospitals compensating gun owners -exceeding the declared budget for that by over 250%.
I agree with Marigold. You don't have to be a townie to dislike someone else's cockerel crowing in your ears.
 
chrismahon said:
Also to prove noise nuisance it has to be above what can be tolerated by a normal person. The previous owner tolerated it. !!!

One more point- well two or three really.
There is no proof in the case quoted by Chris, or others like it, that the previous owner was a 'normal person', (whatever that may be?) - or indeed that he was not deaf!
And I don't see why the tolerance level of the previous owners have anything at all to do with the rights and needs of of new owners. It could be that the seller was leaving because actually he hated the noise but didn't want to put people off buying this house.
Also, if you wanted to sell your house, and prospective purchasers were out in the garden looking round and a cockerel was going full blast next door, it would probably affect the value of your property because nobody would want to buy it!
 
Agree. There are ways of approaching the problem of cockerel noise. So many people run straight to the Authorities without trying to broach the subject diplomatically with the birds owner.
I live in a Village where I have kept cockerels for 18 years. I have never had a problem over cockerel noise because I've always said to my neighbours to let me know if they are being disturbed in any way, so I can remove/rehome the 'offending' bird. A gift of free eggs now and again, also helps to keep the channels of communication open and good natured.
The only time I fell foul of this, was with a tenant of the Housing assoc house next door to me. She had lived there for four years without a problem, her young son was fascinated by the birds and his mother would lift him over the Garden fence for him to come and help me collect the eggs and play with the chicks etc.
This remained the situation Until she entered into a New relationship with a chap who lived some distance away. She desperately wanted to be rehoused nearer her new beau, and applied for relocation to a council property near him. She was promptly told she was not a 'Priority' case and that she would go onto a lengthy waiting list, meaning it would take at least two years to be relocated.
This wasn't swift enough for her liking, so she landed on the plan of reporting me to Environmental Health because the noise my Cockerels were making was affecting her child's and her's health/ sleep patterns, and that she was having to take anti-depressants as a result and that a move to a new house ( near her new boyfriend) was a priority for her! Result? I had to rehome most of my flock at that time, Whilst she was put at the top of the housing list for a new Home, and was rehoused to her satisfaction within six weeks!!! After her departure, the Cockerels returned gradually, and I have never had a problem with any of the subsequent tenants of the same property!
 
A good example of how manipulative people can be, at the expense of anyone else. They just are not bothered Lordcluck, the world revolves around them, or they would like it to. Presumed you rehomed your cockerels in preference to the hassle of fighting the case. If the noise has been there over two years in law they have no grounds for complaint.

Good point from Marigold about selling your property and not raising the issue. The seller is obliged to disclose any problems with the neighbours (or they can be sued later). This can effectively prevent the sale.
The complainant would have to prove that the previous owner was not normal, which would be difficult.
 
Exactly that chrismahon! I just wasn't prepared to go through the rigmarole of it all! and luckily, I managed to get back most of the males I 'boarded' out as well!
 
hi all in responce to marigolds comments about selling a house the seller has to complete a disclosure form to state there never been any fueds or ordisputes between them and any neighbours also it was drawn to my attention that the envoironmental agency when contacted about another case said they only deal with static noise and not moving noise such as. aircraft,cars,and roosters all the best uncle fox
 
Aircraft, cars, trains all have their own noise limit certification system. They are therefore outside the Noise Nuisance legislation which is covered by two separate Acts. Think I covered all this in my thread of August last year -'Noise Nuisance Notification'. That's dead now. They haven't had the decency to respond to any of my emails since. If they reserrect it I am going to claim Harrassment and contact the Police.
 

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