Coronavirus

Steady on you will make her big headed. The doctor said he wondered why it didn't come up with the 29th as well.
OH reckons she would look even younger is she wasn't living with me
 
Can anyone help me get my head around the thinking of people like this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56202975
"A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures."

When I was in my teens an International Vaccination Certificate was mandatory for travel abroad, It was during the big push to eradicate Smallpox.
People have rights but they also have responsibilities. They also have choices: choose not to have the vaccination and there are places one cannot go. Genuine medical exemptions for no vaccination could be exceptions, but why should I be put at risk attending an event because people don't want to be vaccinated, or don't want to carry a certificate? My vaccination card is in my purse so if I have an accident the medical staff can see when I was vaccinated, which vaccine was used and when my next appointment is due.

Head of policy at Liberty Sam Grant is quoted as saying "The road out of lockdown can't ride roughshod over our rights.

"That's why we need the Coronavirus Act to be repealed, and replaced with strategies that provide support to help people to follow health guidance.

"That means rejecting proposals like immunity passports which are based on exclusion and division. Instead, we must work to bridge divides with strategies that protect everyone."

I really wonder what planet people like him are on when you see pictures of big crowds waiting their chance to sledge down a slope or the number od quite serious lock down breaches.
 
Yes - I’m sorry that a minority of people cannot have the vaccine, for various reasons which may disrupt family holidays (pregnancy, children under 16 and some medical conditions) but if everyone else were vaccinated, those who genuinely cannot be done would then benefit from the reduction in the R number, and would gain protection from all those who were immune. If people don’t want to have it, then they should be prepared to live their lives as if in lockdown, stay at home, avoid contact with everyone else, and not rely on the rest of us for partial safety.
 
Good for you. (I was joking). Being serious though competitive ‘green-ness’ is irritating. I refuse to embrace vegetarianism or stop keeping companion animals. I’m sure these are commendable lifestyle choices but my life would be impoverished by adopting them.
 
I work with a vegetarian who wears leather shoes "because good footwear is a must" I have trouble getting my head around that one
 
It’s a year now since we first started this thread. 1031 posts and 104 pages later, we’ve come a long way together. Re-reading those first posts, it sounds like another world. We certainly were a long way from discussing how best to get out of lockdown safely, and what should be done about people who refuse to be vaccinated with no medical reason. This article is interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/jab-job-uk-goverment-covid-vaccine-passports
 
dianefairhall said:
I've had conversations with vegans/PETA types and ask what would happen to dogs and cats and farm animals if we didn't keep them? They always dodge the question. We'd have to kill them all or leave them to starve, wouldn't we?
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Oh, no! They would live in happy little family groups, wouldn't they? :D

I'm fascinated by social history. Not dates, governments, wars etc. etc. but how people lived. What they ate, what they wore, where and how they got food and clothes, etc. One program I saw some years ago explained how, in WWII, there was a massive cull of farm animals, because the land was needed to grow food crops. But one consequence of this was that where traditionally manure was spread on the land for fertiliser, now there was no manure available, so chemical fertilisers had to be used. There wasn't enough labour available for hand weeding all the crops or dealing with pests like slugs & aphids, so chemical weedkillers and insecticides were developed.

I eat very little meat, but I think if you were to try and depend on only locally grown plant based food (which, environmentally, is certainly a lot better than importing most of our fruit and veg), then we would quickly go back to the regular famines and starvation of earlier eras. Certainly, as the climate changes, we here can already see that our growing season is shorter than it used to be.
 
I agree, Lady A. It's much more interesting to hear about how the commoners managed than Henry viii's latest squeeze. That's fascinating (tho' chilling) about WWII - I didn't know all of that. Slippery slope to chemicals taking over.

I eat little meat now, OH a bit more, but nowhere near as much as we used to do. Feeding this potential meat uses up land that could be used for crops see WWII.
 
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