Trout, Blue Trout, Pastel Trout Indian Runners

[Anonymous]

I realize that we may have a little difficulty getting to the same response since we are an ocean apart, but here is my question anyway. I raise trout Indian Runners here in the US. But I have been playing around with them and crossed them with Welsh Harlequins this past year, but wasn't overly impressed with what hatched so sold those to a friend for pond ducks. I wanted to figure out how to make blue trouts and pastel trouts. Which would be the blue and splash versions. I was interested originally in making snowy or silver runners, like a silver appleyard bantam coloring, on a runner, but I know that is a harlequin gene and a dusky gene addition, or at least I was fairly sure. To get a blue trout, would I cross a self splash into the trout line to hatch something in hopes of being a blue trout? Or would I cross whites? I realize what you have available for crosses in the UK and what I have available for crosses here in the US are totally different, but maybe you can give me some advice on at least which steps to start with.
Thanks for your advice in advance.
Jason

K&S Waterfowl Farm
Welsh Harlequin, Trout Indian Runners, Snowy Mallards, Pekins, Black East Indies
Nankin Bantams & Large fowl black Ameraucana.

 

[Tim]

I don't know the answer but keep Abacot Ranger ducks that share the silver gene that shares the harlequin phase and dusky alleles as the Welsh Harlequin. The W-H has the brown gene though.

I believe Silver Calls and the Silver Runner (that has been developed in Germany called Silber Wildfarbig) is the same colour genotype as the Abacot Ranger.

Trout is light phase mallard according to my book - the same genotype as the Rouen Clair but I don't think either has the blue dilusion gene. There is however a blue Rouen which has a single blue dilution.

Blue trout might be called Apricot Trout in the UK or Blau Gelb in Germany? I'm not sure. Somebody told me last year on the forum somewhere but I have forgotten!

The book I have is: Colour Breeding in Domestic Ducks by Mike and Chris Ashton which gives some good basic information.

Sorry, not really an answer to your question but I'm by no means an expert on colours.

Tim

 

[aphrophoto]

I believe a Trout crossed with Apricot Trout will give you Blue Trout

 

[steeple ducks]

Blue trout has 1 blue gene, Apricot trout (I presume is what you call pastel) has 2, so Apricot trout x Trout gives all blue trouts. If you have an apricot trout it's staight forward. If you have an apricot dusky or apricot something else there will be all sorts to breed out. I think whites were used to develope trouts in the first place?