The Moral Maze

Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
8,130
Reaction score
193
Location
Hampshire, U.K.
We've read the print version of The Guardian since 1962, (when I think it was still called the Manchester Guardian) but are now wondering whether it would be a good idea to change our subscription to the online version. One way or the other, we value the kind of journalism that the Guardian promotes, and would definitely want to keep subscribing, in one form or another. However, it's a bit like voting in an election - one voter makes no practical difference, but cumulatively, each choice helps to shape decisions which affect other people's lives.

So, about a move to an online newspaper;

Pros include;
*Far fewer resources used - the paper comes with numerous bulky supplements which are of no interest to us and go straight into the bin, and the sections we do read and value are binned the next day. Yes all that paper goes to be recycled, but this process involves emissions from collection vehicles, delivery to recycling plants, and chemical contamination from the recycling process. And of course the trees have to be chopped down in the first place.
*I like the look of the online version, and could easily get used to finding my way around. You get updates during the day as news develops, and the online version is invariably available when wanted in the morning - no more waiting for the paper boy to get up during school holidays! Can be downloaded anywhere with wifi. Print version unlikely to be so easily available.
*Less costly - digital subscription costs less than paper, and no need to pay £2.50 per week, £125 a year, for delivery, plus the lad's Christmas bonus.
*No more fiddling about with paper tokens for the newsagent.

Cons are mostly to do with the effect on others of the change to online purchase. They therefore apply equally to all the other online shopping I do all the time, e.g. groceries, clothing, etc etc. So, if/when everybody goes digital;
*The newsagent and paper boy would become less profitable, maybe lose their jobs and our small town would gain yet another empty shop.
*Staff involved with preparing, printing and distributing the paper version would also face job cuts.

Of course, some of you may be facing the same choices when considering your own subscription to other papers, or your use of online shopping generally. I would be very interested to hear your ideas.
 
No newspaper delivery at all here so for me the decision was easy. Notwithstanding I find the Grauniads tone really irritating so I went with the Times.
Don't think you should be concerned about the implications of possible redundancies resulting from your decision. There is no future in supporting out of date technologies. I'm sure the manufacturers of horse drawn ploughs presented similar arguments.
About a year ago however I dumped the Times and started subscribing to a publication called The Week. Love this magazine. All the reasoned arguments about global political issues with a bit of froth thrown in as well.
 
We get the week in print, and the Telegraph online. Best of both worlds I think, although I think one factor to consider is the Advertisements...the telegraph has hundreds and when I put an ad blocker on my laptop, I got a message every time I logged on, asking me to turn it off. (which I didn't).
Since changed my laptop and haven't got around to the ad-blocker...(note to self..)
 
The Guardian was losing £100,000 a day not so long ago Marigold, so it is only a matter of time before it stops it's print edition like the Independent did last year. Think circulation is about 140,000. All personal choice, but doubt if I will ever pay for news content again, find it all too partisan and opinionated.
 
Quite like a newspaper myself, rather than online.
Plus so handy for puppies, can't put an I pad in there for them to pee on
 
I like the Grauniad myself, though I seldom have the time to read a paper. I'd go for a real paper every time-consuming if you use a digital newspaper inside the back door to step on in your chicken run wellies, you'll have a very small tablet to aim for & it'll break!
 
Carol gets the 'i' delivered. I gave up reading the Metro on the train when they stopped running Nemi and having the regular bit about black holes and quantum stuff for dummies.
... then again we still get milk delivered and that's mostly because it seems good to support the milkman.
 
I see the Grauniad is going to go tabloid from next year, I don't know if that will make a difference to you? Although physical papers are useful to turn into kindling and compost, and online papers are instant, I have to say my view is the same as Dinosaw, I'm not keen on paying for somebody else's viewpoint from a single party perspective when there is so much free stuff about covering a range of views. Friends get The Week and I do quite like its mix of articles which are from different political viewpoints as well as having cultural, economic, scientific stuff. It's a bit like having a paper, New Scientist for Idiots and The Econmist, plus Arts and Social all rolled into one.
 
bigyetiman said:
Quite like a newspaper myself, rather than online.
Plus so handy for puppies, can't put an I pad in there for them to pee on

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Well, I've done the sums - I knew it would be cheaper to subscribe to the Guardian online but i didn't realise quite how much.
Cost of 6-day print subscription (Mon-Sat inc.) @ £47.62 p.c.m = £571.44 p.a.
plus delivery charge £2.50 per week = £125.00 p.a. (plus Xmas envelope for paper boy.)
Total =£696.44

Cost of Guardian digital 7-day subscription on current offer, (which expires tonight at midnight) - includes the Observer on Sundays
-2 weeks free, then £5.99 per month for 3 months; then £11.99 per month = £126 in first year, then £144 p.a. thereafter.
Savings this year = £696.44 - £126.00 = £570.44p.a.
Savings in subsequent years after offer has run out = £694.44 - £144.00 = £550.44

No brainer, innit? You can buy a lot of puppy pads for £550.00, even supposing you have a puppy. You have until midnight to catch the offer, folks!
and you can read the paper free at https://www.theguardian.com/uk
 
That is quite a saving, forgot that newspapers were so expensive nowadays. You'll be posting links to Owen Jones' twitter next ;)
 
I just buy the local newspapers each week. No news is good news, they say! :D Not really, I keep up, vaguely, with main stories online. If I'm honest though, I do think that the modern obsession with news and instant access to everything that's going on has fueled a lot of trouble around the world. If certain groups know that, instantly, the eyes, ears and attention of the world will be focused on them if they do something big enough, well we are seeing the results, aren't we?
 
Yep, 24 hour news doesn't do us any favours. May as well be called 24hr speculation.
 
I do have to stand up for the standard of Guardian journalism, though, especially in the wake of the poisonous, hate-filled hysteria of the Telegraph, the Mail and the Express, in the runup to the election in particular. Whatever your political beliefs, you can't get away from the fact that the Guardian is the only independent paper which has no sponsorship from big business or political parties, relying on its readers to keep it afloat in return for quality reporting of the news which matters. Here are its aims, and that's why it's important to me to keep reading and supporting the paper, in this era of false news and commercial pressures. And that is why I will be happy to go on paying for my daily fix, whatever form it may come in. (Please note, this is just a personal opinion, not a plug for a political point of view.)

"Like many other media organisations, the Guardian is operating in an incredibly challenging financial climate. Our advertising revenues are falling fast. We have huge numbers of readers, and we are increasingly reliant upon their financial support.

We don’t have a wealthy owner pulling the strings. No shareholders, advertisers or billionaire owners can edit our editor.

Our owner, the Scott Trust, safeguards our editorial independence from commercial or political interference. It reinvests revenue into our journalism, as opposed to into shareholders' pockets.

But while the Scott Trust ensures our independence, we need our Supporters, now more than ever before, to help secure our future.

We know that not everyone is in a position to become a Supporter. But if you can, you’ll be an integral part of our mission to make the world a better, fairer place, for everyone.'
 
I think it's great you've got a newspaper that you believe in and that you are prepared to back Marigold. My own view is that if a newspaper comes out in support of a political party before an election, then it really doesn't matter who owns it, it has ceased to have a claim to be independent. It's journalistic content must be read with caution, factoring in it's political bias.
 
The move to digital is effecting my work. I think the younger generation are more tablet, phone based.
 
We have the Telegraph, which is a dreadful Tory rag but exactly the right size for lining hen houses! (OH is far right of me politically, and he pays the paper bill).
I like the Week too.
At work I get to read the Sun or the Mirror in the canteen, I love the Sun, it is like the Beano for grown ups. Would I make a political decision based on it's trumpetings? No, never. The Mirror is too serious, so few socialists have a good sense of humour.
I dislike online news as I would be bound to believe every bit of fake news that appears, I accept that an online paper like the Guardian would be safe from that.
I am not great with change, and as I prefer a paperback to my Kindle, although I use both, I think I prefer ink and paper to read.
 
I prefer paper and ink too. Was at a sale today so newspaper came in handy for lining boxes. (And bought more birds but since these are different then it doesn't count to my way of thinking)
 
Father used to work in the print room at Daily Express, so that is their paper of choice I find their headlines highly entertaining, as they always seem to be weather or Diana based. We are going to get a months rain in 20mins from a Diana shaped cloud.

Trouble is my parents believe everything in it and will give us dire weather warnings or tell us to give up certain foods as they will kill us within a month.
Good crossword in the Guardian.
Trouble with the 24 hours news society and certain tabloids is the reliance on reporting on "celebs" or TV reality stars and their lives to fill out programmes and paper, not exactly ideal role models in most cases
 

Latest posts

Back
Top