Pekin piccies and advice please

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Here are some piccies of a couple of the pekins. Also,I was kind of wondering if anyone had any pics of a decent show quality silver partridge pekin pullet or hen????? I was going to aim to maybe have a go at showing in the very distant future - Prob 3 years away, but I would like to get an idea of what to keep / buy etc. to at least get maybe somewhere near the standard in that time!!!! I would also greatly appreciate lists of faults and things that need improving :? :)
Not the best pics with a 2 year old trying pick them up or to chase them away etc.

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10 - 12 week old pullet
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What colour please? Could he be used with any other colours or not?
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I could find you some photos of my gold partridge pekins, should be similar markings just in a different colour. One of my cockerals is unbeaten since the national last year
if that helps :)
 
That would be great!!! I have seen some good ones, but I didn't handle them and I wasn't really with it after a long drive!!!! lol
It would be very helpful if you could do a list of things to improve on for the birds above and also if they are so shocking that they should go!!!!
I can't get to a show at the moment as my son would be a complete handful as he is so young and would probably let all the birds out of the pens or scream the place down!!!! :shock: ;)
So unfortunately it has to be pics to get an idea at the moment!!!!! If you showed your cockeral then pics of him would be good and also the ladies pattern that either he was bred from or that you use with him for breeding.
Also, probably too much to ask, but if you know of anywhere with decent pics of pullet breeding partridge pekins (either colour) and both sexes if at all possible????!!!
Definately too cheeky, but answers to some of these questions or pictures would be very gratefully appreciated :D
 
Ok my photos are too big!!
If you go to my website - http://www.clrpoultry.webs.com you can see some photos of the different hens and hopefully the colouring! I will upload some of the cockerals so that you can see those as well. (Mods if I'm not allowed to the link feel free to remove it and I will try and upload some pictures!)

With pekins in general, you are really looking at their tilt, with the heads meant to be lower than their tail, I was told once giving the impression of a pin cushion/puff ball!! I was also told that you are not meant to see through the legs, with the partridges this is quite a common fault as their shape is not currently as good as the blacks/whites, although you will find that they fill out a lot with age and therefore show best at 2/3/4 years of age once they have fully filled out. They have got to be single combed with the hens combs being quite small. Common faults seen in pekins are split wing and split breast although this has recently been addressed so that you would hopefully not see it as much!

With regards to your birds, I like your cuckoo pekins particularly the middle one, the cockeral could be good is he was a bit lower to the ground almost as though he was wearing a skirt! But this may well be the photo, i think this similar to the third hen but i think that with her it is definitely the photo!! With the silver partridge i like her shape considering how young she is and would hopefully fill out well. From a showing point of view I think that if you put her with a well coloured cockeral then you would get some nice youngsters, but I can't really see the markings so can't really comment on that.
With the last cockeral I would probably call him a red pekin, apart from his tail, and neck feathers give the impression of a gold partridge! I'm not that good on genetics, but you could possibly put him in with some silver partridge and possibly get gold partridge but not sure...
Hope that helps and will put some photos of the cockerals onto the website
 
Fantastic help - Thanks very much!!!!! :D Really appreciated!!!!
The cuckoo cockeral - you can see through his legs - he is not close enough to the ground I have tried to hatch a replacement this year - but don't think I have been very successful :roll:
The cuckoo hens are closer to the ground, but only 1 hen is probably as close as she should be now I have looked at your pictures - Love your 2009 bred gold partridge hen about 5th one down on left hand side :-)08
From the silver partridge growers I will brobably only keep 2 - one with best type (I think) and one with best colour (I think)
Would he be any good to use to try to get creole put to cuckoo hen or would I need cuckoo cockeral and gold partridge hen - Or is it just not that simple????? Sorry about all the questions :-)07 :D
 
Hi Katpekin. They look pretty good! Thing to study is body shape. Pekins should be very broad in the beam. Also should be a clear line of demarcation running down the wing seperating the tail from the rest of the body. Difficult to describe. The body should be a triangle with apex at the bottom and the tail is a ball, well, more a semicircle attached to it. Does this make sense? Hmm. probably not. I'll let somebody else have a go.
 
In a nutshell a Pekin should be round, low to the ground, with tilt (head lower than tail), short bodied and wide, broad feathers with plenty of under fluff.
Definitely no lines and angles, just roundness.
 
Thanks all - guess all I can do is keep putting up pics and hoping people will tell me things that need working on!!!! I can see some improvement in some areas in a couple birds I think, but where I get some improvement in type I seem to lose it in colour or vice versa :?
I have bought in a quartet of pekins this year and they are looking much better type than my own birds - so fingers crossed for improvement next year. I will put some pics up when I have the time
 
I like the girl in the second pic the best, she looks like she lacks cushion but if she was a bit more tilted most of the rest of her would be right, although pictures can be deceiving so don't take what I'm saying as gospel.

Don't get obsessed with colour, its easier to put right than type, they have to have Pekin type first otherwise they're not Pekins and with the cuckoos you can keep the markings good by using the blacks produced in the breeding programme.

A few pics of birds showing good type and feather
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Really nice birds - thanks ccm :-)08
I really hope I can produce 1 bird similar to those next year or the year after :lol:
Could I ask how old those birds are please?
 
The blue hen is probably about two in that pic, the cuckoo boy would be about six months when that pic was taken, he is exceptional and probably the best male I have ever bred and I luv him.
Pekins improve with age, I don't like any of my white pullets in their first year, I never show them as pullets, I just keep what I think is the best of a poor lot and then the next year they blow me away!

I also have not so good birds, they don't all look like these two but they all have a place in my breeding programme.

You just have to keep breeding for type improvement and one day you will get there.
 
I want them!! I like their shape, patterning could be clearer but I have found that if you can find a well coloured male this can help to get better youngsters from them, shape wise I think the third one is the best because it is lowest to the ground, but I am looking at it from the view of breeding to my own cockeral and what the young would possibly look like. Have you got a cockeral? Where did you find these hens?
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3 of the best typed hens are from Dorinda - yes got 2 cockerals - one from Dorinda - one mine, and 1 more gold, and better patterned hen - (not included in pics), but worse type (think you can just about see her head on the bottom pic - pecking at ground)
 
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