new sablepoot taking a battering!

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Hi,

After 6 pleasant and rewarding weeks of hen keeping
we decided to add a little friend to our flock of three Pekins especially as the youngest Pekin has a hard time of it OR SO WE THOUGHT....... My goodness what a nightmare weekend. We are on hourly chicken rota watch!

We picked up our Sablepoot on Friday pm and placed her with our Nutmeg, who is the youngest Pekin and bottom in the pecking order, inside an enclosed run and house. My god it was world war 3. The Pekin sat on her, tore at her feathers and generally bullied her into submission. Naturally we were horrified, and separated them straight away. So the Sablepoot is in a house and run on her own when we are not on duty. When we are monitoring the situation, she free ranges, at the other end of the garden, metres away from the 3 Pekins. (Advice from my wonderfully patient poultry lady Susie Page, who has managed to reassure us, thankfully.)

So the Pekin lunges at the Sablepoot if they come within 5 feet of each other and when the new one is in her run, our Pekin paces up and down tearing at the netting..... Its all very distressing for everyone. BUT today things are a little calmer. The Pekin is still trying to assert her authority despite being put in her place by the other two Pekins. However, the top bird has now joined in albeit briefly, breaking the skin on the Sablepoots nose/face. She takes refuge behind us even hid under the throw I was wrapped up in.

Despite all this she has a lovely tame temperament, curious, and confident. We just don't want her losing her adorable personality. Have spoken to my poultry lady to see if she can get hold of another Sablepoot. YES, we would have had two if they were available.......AND YES we need to give things time to settle. If push comes to shove we will split the garden and are already drawing up plans. But if she is to remain separate from the main flock, she will definately need another friend.

We honestly thought seeing as the youngest Pekin was constantly being put in her place, it would help if she had a friend. How wrong were we?? The hen pecked Pekin has now become the bully! She even puffs herself up to such a size, you wouldn't believe. oh and after 6 weeks, she has finally started to scratch. We started to think she was too delicate to scratch or scavenge. She hasn't laid yet, even though she makes as much fuss about it all as the other girls, and even goes so far as to sit in the nest box .....Our new girl has laid despite the ruccus - bless her. Job was done in all of five minutes, she must have been desperate.

I guess we are too soft, but I cannot even begin to imagine the day she might join them in the hen house? The fear of feathers and blood in a morning..... Surely it can't all be this bad or else why would people bother to introduce new hens.

Interestingly enough the original three pekins are super close now........and I think they seem to be a little more tolerant of Nutmeg.....the rather ungainly, non egg laying, bully.....

Why we tried to fix what really wasn't broken......a lesson learnt!



Our sablepoot is a lavender porcelain, named Tillie...... and we think she is rather special.
 

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Hello, yes, it can be a shock to new poultry keepers to find out how vicious and nasty chickens can be! It is always better to add two or more at a time- this "dilutes" but doesn't stop the bullying- as long as they are not killing each other let them sort it out altogether- they will settle down in a week or two- always make sure you have at least two feeders and drinkers so they all get to eat and drink- No matter how you do it- i.e. put the new birds within sight, keep them seperate for a while, -it's best just to put them in at once- they will still fight even if they have seen each other for weeks- no easy or quick solutions- good luck :)
regards, David :)
 
Ive had a similar happening this weekend but not half as worrying, i bought 2 new lavender pekins this weekend and my bottom of the pile hen, decided she hated them both, but she hated one more than the other, i found them with their beaks locked on each others combs at one point, but things calmed down as the day went on and the cockrel started to sort it out a bit.
hope everything starts to improve for you
 
Hi and thankyou both for your advice and info.

When the others were safely locked up last night, I thought I'd let Tillie, the new one, out for a last little walk before total dark..... She went straight to the shed and became very vocal. After opening it up, she flew onto the seat of the exercise bike and started to settle. This was what she did on the first night, but we removed her, (seeing as it was slippy), and placed her in her makeshift house in the same shed. Everytime we removed her and tried to place her in the house she flew back up there. So we wrapped the seat in an old towel and used cable ties to secure a makeshift perch to the handles and seat of the bike, (an old wooden curtain pole.) Bless her, she perched and slept there all night. She was still there at 7.30 this morning.....

So given what you said David, I am letting her free range with the others today, with limited supervision. Thankfully I have very large patio windows which give an expansive view of the hen house, shed and garden. I know they have got to sort it out, but it is so distressing to watch.

Girl racer- it sounds as though you have had just as much anguish as us! Lets hope all our girlies sort out their differences soon!!

Thanks, Sharron
 
That sounds really distressing Sharron, and I'd half decided to get 2 sablepoots to go with my 3 Pekins as everything I've read seems to say what loving little birds they are. I'll be really interested to see how you get on - she is beautiful and looks so friendly. I would love some.
 
Hi,the hen or hens at the bottom of the pecking order are the worst bullies.They are so chuffed to have someone below them,they do go a bit OTT for our liking.
Sablepoots are a lot more agile than pekins,and,do have a wicked sense of humour.Mine know which hens will have a go,and I've watched my sablepoots dive bomb them(scaring the life out of bullies)and running away quick to avoid a telling off.This is from 2 Lohman's and my R.I.R.,my pekins are fine with the sablepoots.
Perservere,and I'm sure it will settle down.
You could try putting them in the nest box all together at night,once it's dark,and spray them with a diluted vinegar solution,to make them all smell the same.Obviously don't soak them,in the morning,try and let them free range in a large area,so your sablepoot can get away if she needs to.
Do make sure there are at least 2 feeders/drinkers,as David suggested,so they can all get enough to eat and drink.It will settle down,but can take 1-2 weeks.
 
Hello,

I am very pleased to report things are settling down! Everyone is minding their own business, and Pekins versus Sablepoot can tolerate each other in the garden within 3 feet of each other- progress indeed.

Thanks Lydia for the advice about night time entry into the main house, along with Davids sound advice too- We still can't face that. So a new house is on order for the weekend, along with perching bars, as the sablefoot is a very happy girl on the makeshift 4 foot high perching curtain rail. ALSO we have sourced a new booted friend for her. Will tell more when she is safely home. SO hopefully both girlies can go in the new house together, and become the best of friends..... fingers crossed.

Dawn- Thankyou, she is a real little lady, and so friendly, bright as a button too. I think the Pekin/Booted combination will eventually work well. She has already won my teenage son over with her liking to fly up onto his shoulder, which he thinks is cool.

Even on the dreariest of days, like today, you can't help but smile when our comical Pekins run the length of the garden for cover.......
 
So pleased it's improving,that is good news.
Sablepoots are delightfull,I love my pekins,they are special to me,but my Sablepoots hold a very special corner of my heart.They are always cheerfull,up to mischief,and always pleased to keep you company.
Anything that is always pleased to see me,deserves the best :D .
 
Hello,

Just wanted to let you know that our new arrival is happily in the run with our new bird from last weekend- which we believed was a Sablepoot. The breeder, confirmed that "Tillie" is in fact a D'uccle. So the new girl, Millie is a "Mille Fleur Sablepoot" and absolutely gorgeous. Will do some research on D'uccles later. Appararently a sablepoot doesn't have the feathered/bearded face.....So now we have 3 breeds in a matter of 7 weeks. The breeders set up was gorgeous and it was hard to not come away with a box full of hens- just beautiful, oh and she comes from "Federation Winner" bloodline/stock......

I'll post some picks when all is settled. But so far, Tillie and Millie are fine. Naturally Tillie is asserting herself, but nothing like we had last weekend with the Pekins.

Thank goodness for small mercies, Sharron
 
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