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I was talking to my doctor today about something else, and asked for advice about how best to live with my negative antibody status. She said ‘be very careful - especially with the Delta variant and the opening up in England, at your age, with no antibodies, and with your medical history, you’ll be at risk of a very bad infection if you get Covid.’
She then said some very uncomplementary things about the Government.
Nobody seems to have raised the question of how many people are actually not protected although fully vaccinated. Maybe everyone should have an antibody test before being considered safe to travel or be in close contact with other people?
 
Marigold said:
I was talking to my doctor today about something else, and asked for advice about how best to live with my negative antibody status. She said ‘be very careful - especially with the Delta variant and the opening up in England, at your age, with no antibodies, and with your medical history, you’ll be at risk of a very bad infection if you get Covid.’
She then said some very uncomplementary things about the Government.
Nobody seems to have raised the question of how many people are actually not protected although fully vaccinated. Maybe everyone should have an antibody test before being considered safe to travel or be in close contact with other people?
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Is that not the way with most vaccines, though? That there will be a few people who just don't develop antibodies or resistance to the particular virus?
As a child, I was vaccinated against rubella. A few years later, I contracted rubella. After I recovered, I was apparently tested for immunity to it, and I had no immunity. So, I was vaccinated again, tested again - and I STILL wasn't showing any immunity! My mother said that the doctor told her I may develop immunity as I grew older, by coming into contact with rubella again. I've certainly never caught it again.

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I have had chicken pox 3 times, although all in my 20-30's and not since so perhaps the same applies to me Lady A
 
Could you could try another vaccine Marigold? The Pfizer and Oxford work in different ways, so if you don't have result with one perhaps try another?

Good point about being tested for antibodies, before being allowed a vaccine passport. Unfortunately those passports are now being forged. There is a market for people who won't have a vaccine but still want access to everywhere vaccination passport could get them.
 
We heard of two friends who have had an antibody test and had no immunity, they were both Pfizer, OH has had one and her antibodies were high, she had Astra Zeneca, and her friend had Pfizer and had a high count as well.

An anti vaxer I work with has gone down with the Delta variant, and is in hospital, that is the 18th person I work with off sick with it, the others have all been vaccinated and are all 30-40 years. We are staying with masks on buses after Monday, which will be fun, hard enough get some people to wear them now
 
I was reading Astra Zeneca's trial data the other day after following a link from the government website. It said that results after 2 vaccine doses gave 70% immunity to Covid-19. So out of 100 people who have two doses, 30 can expect not to develop immunity. That's quite common for vaccination programmes. I was vaccinated against Hep B, as I was a first aider at work where there was a risk of it. It took me four jabs before I developed immunity- it's only supposed to take two.

So the government know that but they're still removing restrictions. It's madness :evil:
 
I recently got back in touch with a friend/colleague from the mid-1980s. I didn’t actually know her very well, as she had taught my primary school class on Fridays for a year whilst I was seconded to a course. This worked well, but we seldom actually met, as when I was there, she wasn’t, and vice versa. In the days before rigid planning and the internet, we just communicated by notes left on the classroom desk.
Anyway, we met up again on a local Facebook site and she suggested coffee and a chat. I invited her over for what I thought would be a socially distanced friendly hour in the garden. I opened the door and she rushed towards me, held me firmly and kissed me on both cheeks! I was just so amazed I stood there and pretended to like it. She had another go when she left, but I stood back from that one.
Nevertheless we had a good time together at opposite sides of our garden table and I’ve now been invited back to her place.
Having hardly seen, much less touched, my own closest family for 18 months, I just found this amazing from someone who really just counted as a stranger from long ago.
 
Reflecting on this encounter, I found this article about the lost art of living with strangers, which I thought was interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/10/remember-hand-shakes-and-small-talk-the-lost-art-of-living-with-strangers
 
Marigold said:
Reflecting on this encounter, I found this article about the lost art of living with strangers, which I thought was interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/10/remember-hand-shakes-and-small-talk-the-lost-art-of-living-with-strangers
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Interesting reading and has the ring of truth about it.
 
Marigold said:
Reflecting on this encounter, I found this article about the lost art of living with strangers, which I thought was interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/10/remember-hand-shakes-and-small-talk-the-lost-art-of-living-with-strangers
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Fascinating, although I admit to having to look up "antithetical". My sister has the gift of saying the right thing to strangers, something I really envy.
Also, on some Facebook groups, and like this forum one can find support and help from complete strangers as well as those people one has come to regard as friends.
 
I think sometimes it’s easier for people to open up to friendly strangers than to their own family and friends. I remember sitting on a station platform with the dog whilst Tony was off photographing engines, getting into conversation with a man who poured out his whole story of a very unhappy domestic situation. Then the train came, he got on it, and I never saw him again or even knew his name.
 
I found the article very interesting, less so from a covid angle but just from a human perspective. I am sure you are right Marigold, about some people feeling it is easier to confide in strangers. When I was younger I was always being regaled with stuff, good and bad, particularly on trains and in launderettes. I even had a self confessed violent neighbour in my flat once, just talking to me about life and his wife, something I wouldn't allow to happen now, which is possibly a bit sad.
 
Margaid said:
Marigold said:
Reflecting on this encounter, I found this article about the lost art of living with strangers, which I thought was interesting.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/10/remember-hand-shakes-and-small-talk-the-lost-art-of-living-with-strangers
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Fascinating, although I admit to having to look up "antithetical". My sister has the gift of saying the right thing to strangers, something I really envy.
Also, on some Facebook groups, and like this forum one can find support and help from complete strangers as well as those people one has come to regard as friends.
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When my husband was ill, I joined the Alzheimers Society's support forum, Dementia Talking Point. It's peer support from the members, but it was such a fantastic support. There was absolutely nothing you could come across in dementia that someone else hasn't experienced and the collective knowledge and experience of the members is invaluable. It's also a safe place to express those very difficult feelings and discuss subjects considered taboo. In such circumstances, physical strangers can become closer than family or friends through shared experiences, and I'm still very much in touch with a few people from there.

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Daughter and OH off to France.
Had PCR tests last week, at vast cost, negative; then Govt decided they weren’t necessary.
Arrived via Eurotunnel: sent us a text later.

:Quite easy really.
Hand over your passport, get it stamped, grr ?
Answer a tricky question, “You guys been vaccinated?”
“Yup”
“Bonne vacance!”
Happy days.
No checking of status
No dogs sniffing out illegal sausages
All good ?

Temperature here down to a very welcome 18C today. Neighbour tells me he, his wife, and their 5-year-old are off to Rhodes tomorrow for a week.
I looked up Rhodes on the Met Office site.
Forecast says temperature of 35c tomorrow, 37c on Monday, 39c Tuesday and 40c for the rest of the week.
I hope the aircon works, and the view of the beach from their hotel room is worth looking at!
 
I don't understand the obsession with going on holiday abroad. Ask all of the illegal migrants: "Which is the best country to be in?" The answer is a resounding "Britain"!

We have a temperate climate, beautiful countryside, canals, mountains, glorious coastline, picturesque fishing villages, historic cities, great beer & sparkling wine... Why on earth would you go on holiday abroad, this year of all years???
 
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