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Cluckingbelle

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Hello All! I'm new to this forum but as I'm hoping to start keeping a small flock of chickens in the spring, I joined to get some help from those in the know! I'm doing lots of research, but my main question just now is what size of coop to get? I have looked at many different options, but I think I've narrowed it down to an ark type coop. I'm hoping to keep 4 hybrid hens and this coop is 9 foot long, by 6 feet wide, and 5 foot 6 inches tall. Under the actual house, there is 19 inches of space from the ground to the bottom of the house. As I work full time, my girls will have to be in their coop most of the time, but I will be able to let them free range on the weekend and evening when I can supervise. I plan to hang up some toys and there are two long perches in the run (carrying handles) to keep them occupied and give them a bit more vertical room. The actual coop is the Dell model from Smiths Sectional Buildings.

So my question is, do you guys think this will be adequate for my gals? Thanks for your help! I look forward to reading and finding out more in this forum!
 
Hi Cluckingbelle, a big welcome to the Forum, and to the world of chicken keeping. Spring is a good time to start with your girls and you are wise to find out all you can before buying equipment and actually getting your birds.
Coud you list a link to the site where you are buying the coop from? I gather you plan one where the coop is attached to a run, rather than being freestanding in a walk-in run? The dimensions you give amount to 6 sq. yards of run space, which isn't enough for 4 hybrids who are going to be kept in it nearly all the time. This is often the problem with coops and integral runs, whilst the coop may be plenty big enough for that many hens, the run gives insufficient space for them, especially once you subtract the space needed for feeder, drinker, dustbath etc. It's often recommended that you allow a minimum of 2 square metres of run space per bird, more is better, so 6 sq. yards would be a bit crowded for even three birds maximum. If you overcrowd hens they tend to get stressed, fight, or feather peck each other, and in a small run there is nowhere for the hen at the bottom of the pecking order to hide from bullies. Hens can be really horrible to each other I'm afraid.
Also there's the problem of keeping the run clean. You really need to be able to get into the run daily, to pick up the poo from the floor, or it will become filthy and smelly very quickly indeed. This might be difficult with an ark design that has a ridge height of only 5 ft. 6 ins. Had you thought what sort of bedding you would want to put in the floor, to make poo picking easier and keep the floor drier and let the birds dig in it? Also the coop itself needs easy access so you can clean out the overnight droppings as well.
There's a lot on here about run and coop design, we're always chuntering on about it, so do keep on asking questions before deciding on your purchases. Equipment is expensive and you want to get it right first time as its going to be around for several years!
 
Hello and welcome cluckingbelle! :-)99
I agree with Marigold. The dell looks like a nice well built coop, however the run being the shape is is and length is too small for 4 hybrids in the run full time.
 
Is this the one you mentioned? http://www.smithssectionalbuildings.co.uk/products/dell_chicken-house-and-run-traditional-ark.php
I see it says its suitable for up to 10 full-sized birds!
This is an example of a very common tendency for suppliers to overstate the capacity of their runs. 10 birds in this run would have about 5 sq. ft each, almost down to commercial densities I would imagine.
This design would be fine if you had lots of green grassy field and could move it on nearly every day, and they were allowed out to free range as well, but as a fixed run in a smaller space I think it would be very difficult to get inside the run for cleaning, or even for catching the birds when you needed to inspect them.
 
Hi Cluckingbelle and welcome to the forum.( It's 5.00am here and the cockerels have just started crowing!)

Some simple guidelines. 1 foot of perch and 3 square feet of floor space per hen and one nest box for 2 or perhaps 3 of them in the coop. Fixed runs 4 square metres per bird unless they are let out to free range during the day, in which case we allow 1 square metre per bird (not enough). Lack of space results in stress and will cause all sorts of problems.
 
Hi Everyone! Thank you very much for your help and advice. Yes the coop I was thinking of is the Dell from Smith Sectional Buildings. I'm glad I know that it's not suitable so I can look for something else. Do you have any suggestions of coops available to buy that would be suitable for 3 to 4 girls? Also, the after doing some research I've seen that course sand would be a decent substrate for the run. I plan on putting down some leaves and/or wood chips for the girls to dig about in as well. Does anyone have a different suggestion? I'm open to any advice! Thanks very much!
 
The best option if the girls are to stay in the run most of the time, is to buy a freestanding coop, and erect a strong, foxproof walk-in run for them. That way, you can get a coop which is the right size for them to roost in, and provide a run which is large enough for them to be happy in and for you to get inside to clean and handle the birds. For 4 hens you need to plan for a minimum of 8 sq. metres of floor space, and 10-12 will be better if possible. The sides need to be constructed of weld mesh, and the smaller gauges will be good at excluding vermin such as mice and rats, as well as foxes. It's best if the run has a mesh roof, and best of all if it can have a solid roof to keep the floor dry, either Onduline or clear corrugated plastic. The base needs either to be fixed to a sunken fox proof skirt of underground mesh, or else you can line the floor with mesh and fix it to the sides to make a secure box. Minimum height is 2 metres, not only for your own comfort but to help exclude foxes. Foxes can climb over a 2 metre wall so thats why the roof needs to be either mesh or solid.
If you buy a freestanding coop the options are wider - you may like to consider plastic coops, which are easier to keep clean and less likely to get redmite infestations, besides never needing treatment with creosote to preserve the wood and deter mite. I have a Green Frog and am very happy with it, but there are now quite a few good options on the market. If you buy a wooden one, you may like to ask advice on here first, particularly about coop design and ventilation provision, which is crucial. Also the very cheap Chinese imports tend to last for only one season, if that, before leaking of falling apart.
As for the floor, you could consider lining the earth base with permeable weed proof membrane, well pegged down at the edges, as this will prevent them from scratching earth up into whatever bedding you use on top of it. Some people pave the run, but this is colder and harder on the birds feet and doesnt drain so well as membrane, also its heavier and more expensive to instal. You do need to think about how you will dispose of dirty bedding, and personally I wouldn't recommend sand as it gets very dirty and is heavy and difficult to remove and doesn't compost well. I use Aubiose, which is shredded hemp stems, over the membrane, and they can scratch around in this and its easy to poo pick and it composts well. Other people use shredded wood chips, obtained from a local tree surgeon, though you need to be careful what kind of wood is used - thorny bits are not good for the girls feet. I think if you put wood chips over sand on top of earth, you will have a right old mess in a few weeks, especially after rain in an uncovered run.
 
Hi Marigold, thanks so much for your advice. I'm going to look for a free standing run and coop. Since reading the earlier comments I've had a wee look to see what options there are. The only problem is space. I thought the nice neat ark would be an ideal size for our garden but maybe the bigger size will be too big. Maybe I need to consider bantams now! I really would like hens for pets so egg size/quantity isn't an issue. There are a lot of things to consider! Do you think the 9 x 6 x 5.5 ft ark would be suitable for 4 bantams?

Regarding the run substrate, I'd also considered Aubiose for the run before and I think you've convinced me! I'm so glad I have all of you to help me with my planning!
 
In a run with 6 sq. yards of floor space, you would be best to plan for three bantams rather than four. You wouldn't need such a large coop as the Dell, (although i see that this one doesn't give details of the coop size, only the run size, and I wold take the stated number of 10-bird capacity with a large pinch of salt.) If you bought a smaller coop, and went for a design which was on legs so the birds could get underneath it, maybe you could put this inside a cubic run that you could get into without having to crouch down and kill your back? As space is an issue, this type wouldn't take up any more floor space than an ark but would be very much easier and more pleasant to work with. Remember you will need to get inside the run every day, to clean up, fill the feeder, change the drinking water, as well as relating to your girls, and doing this inside an ark- shaped run will not be easy or comfortable. Making a small rectangular run isn't too difficult or costly, and there are several threads on here that go into all the pros and cons of design and materials.
Another alternative is t make the run as big as you can fit in, and have the coop attached to the side panel but situated outside of the run. This way might perhaps make use of an odd- shaped corner, depending on your site? Remember you will have to access the inside of the coop daily, for cleaning, and have the nestboxes accessible as well. For 3 bantams, one nestbox would be OK.
For 3-4 bantams you are looking at a coop about the size of the small Green Frog Loft, see http://www.greenfrogdesigns.co.uk/Chicken-House-Small-p/ch01.htm or the taller Lodge see http://www.greenfrogdesigns.co.uk/Chicken-Lodge-Small-p/cg01.htm

Also look at the Brinsea Carefree Coops http://www.brinsea.co.uk/carefreecoops/ the smallest one would be OK.
 
Hi Marigold! Thanks so much for the information. I think I will end up getting some sweet little bantams and getting a coop the size of the ones you've recommended. I've had a look at runs that are 6 ft x 6ft by 6 ft which is 36 ft sq of floor space and the walk-in door as well. Plus if I put the coop outside do you think the total floor area would be okay for the 4 bantams? Perhaps the medium GFD lodge would be better for 4 bantams? Thanks again for your help!
 
I have the medium GF lodge and its plenty big enough for up to 6 full-sized hybrids so I think the smaller one would be OK. GF do give realistic estimates of how many birds you can house, unlike some manufacturers.
36 sq. ft of floor space is only 4 sq. yards, you really will need at least 6 sq. yards for 3-4 bantams. You could keep a couple in there but then you have the problem, somewhere down the line, of a lonely hen when one of them eventually dies. If you start off with 3 or 4, in a run which will be OK for 4 (min. 8 sq. metres) you can go down to two in the future, eventually, and then get two more, as its very difficult to introduce a single bird, she will be bullied and will never really fit in with the others. Always plan to be able to introduce a pair at some point, for this reason.
The run and coop is the major investment when keeping poultry, and you will have to live with your choice for quite a few years.
 
Hi Marigold, thanks again for the great advice. I'll keep my eye out for the right size run. I want everyone to be happy!
 
Hi Cluckingbelle.
I've got a Midi Dell from Smiths Sectional Buildings; it's absolutely fine for my 4 hens, & given the way they all like to sleep at one end, I'd have no qualms about putting a couple more hens in there this summer. HOWEVER, I didn't get the dell with the integral run, as the run looked far too small (not much point in rescuing ex-batts only to give them hardly any outdoor space).

My girls have the luxury of a 4m x 7m run, which we built around the coop. They're happy in their run all day every day except when I'm around to supervise them free ranging at weekends. I can tell they're happy, as given the choice between leaving the run to free range, or having a warm mash, they stay in the run for the warm mash!

The dell is pretty easy to keep clean; I cut a piece of vinyl flooring to fit the floor of the coop, so I can pull it out over the wheelbarrow to tip the dirty bedding into it to take to the compost heap.

Like Marigold, I use aubiose in the coop; it's absorbant & the poo sticks to it, making poo picking easy. Some of the cleaner stuff that comes out of the coop on cleaning day gets put onto the higher traffic areas of the run to keep them from getting muddy.

If you've got a sloping bit of garden it's ideal for the run, as it gives it drainage & also helps to stop it from getting too muddy.

Enjoy the research phase of your project; plough through the old threads on the forum, & let us know how you get on.
 

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