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I am a member of a neighbourhood group, where people can ask for recommendations, sell stuff, etc.

I saw this message tonight and thought to myself WHY ??? Is it me, or is there a point to having a dog and a new puppy and asking someone else to look after it and take it for a walk? ??
 

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Well at least they intend not to leave the poor thing alone all day and probably annoying the neighbours by barking.
Personally I think households where everyone is out all day and the dog left at home shouldn't have dogs ...
 
We have recently been refused the adoption of a couple of cats belonging to the late mother of a friend of ours, on the grounds that we would let the cats outside. The cats had previously been indoor/outdoor cats, our friend is the lady's son and he wanted us to have them, but the niece, who is currently looking after them, works at a cat rescue place and is convinced that harm will befall them - poisoning/falling down a well/running off/being attacked by dogs being some of the potential hazards cited. My take is that there is no accounting for people, we are all so different!
 
We always had a dog when I was growing up, because someone in the family was always home, but as a working adult I waited many years, until literally the day after we retired, before getting one. I wouldn't have dreamed of leaving a dog on its own all day, bored and untrained, especially a puppy. Getting a puppy is similar to having a baby; for at least the first year it demands a lot of time and training, consistently through the day. The end result should be a happy, well-mannered dog you can take anywhere, but unfortunately, many people give up on their dog when it reaches adolescence at around 6 months and becomes an untrained pain in the bum. Then it ends up in rescue.
Cockapoos are very fashionable at the moment, and well-bred ones are very intelligent, with lovely temperaments, but EXTREMELY active. Judging by the two cockapoos my daughter has, to leave them alone all day even with a brief walk from a dog sitter, would be a recipe for disaster. A good breeder, like the one we got our Norfolk Terrier from, would grill prospective puppy buyers about their circumstances and would refuse to sell to a home where the puppy would be regularly left alone for any length of time.
Tweetiepie, even at the risk of being unpopular, please post a reply on your group page, advising them to think again about inflicting this on themselves, as well as on the dog. A puppy isn't a trendy toy!
 
It never ceases to amaze me what people do. Friends of ours got a dog because their extremely spoilt child wanted one and he wanted a Border Collie in a town house with a postage stamp sized garden, we pointed out that as highly intelligent creatures and working dogs they need lots of exercise and stimulation, their answer was "it will adapt" Guess what it didn't and had to be re homed eventually after complaints from the neighbours about it barking and escaping.
 
Yes, people see Border Collies doing wonderful things on TV and think this will happen automatically if they buy one, not realising the many hours of ongoing experienced work and training necessary to keep the dog happy and stimulated. Cockerpoos are also a cross between two highly active and intelligent working breeds - Poodles are often listed as one of the most intelligent and receptive dogs, second only to Border Collies, and Cocker Spaniels are also bred to enjoy training and working in the field. A first-time dog owner who thinks it's OK to leave a cockerpoo puppy (or any puppy) home all day, or in the care of a dog walker, is in for a shock, at the puppy's expense. It's not just the training that the puppy will miss out on, but the bonding that comes from working with one person during the time when, like a baby, the dog's brain is developing and learning from all its new experiences.
 
Couldn't agree more with all of you.
I was so angry when I saw the message. These people have dogs as fashion accessories, to boast about on social media etc. I was so tempted to respond with my thoughts! Any genuine breeder would surely check out the home and ask relevant questions, before selling the puppies, but I guess pound notes speak volumes for unscrupulous breeders these days. ?
 
Indeed tweetiepie.
Had my blue merle sheepdog bitch not decided to remain chaste I was all set to breed a litter of Schnaucolls but I would definitely have been scrupulous about placing them.
In my view, fresh subject, a lot of breeds have been so ruined by breeding for the show ring rather than for good health that a bit of judicious interbreed mating would be a good thing. Who couldn’t love a Schnaucoll!

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i definitely agree about the effect of breeding for the show ring, and for reasons of 'fashion,' in many breeds, particularly brachycephalic dogs such as pugs and french bulldogs. Ignorant people think they're cute, buy one because some celebrity has one, and then find out they're landed with a dog that needs expensive surgery and lifelong care because the poor thing can't breathe. Also there's the hips problem in bigger dogs, especially in German Shepherds - a few years ago a GS won Best in Show at Crufts, despite (or because of) having low-sloping hips which would cause arthritic breakdown in him and his expensive progeny. Other breeds, such as Cavaliers, have inherent and painful problems because they're often bred with flat faces and skulls which are too small to contain their brains, resulting in Syringomyelia, a fatal brain inflammation condition.
The reason we are lucky enough to have Norfolk Terriers is because, along with their close cousins Norwich terriers, they are bred by a small group of enthusiasts for this healthy, long-lived breed, which has no inherent genetic illness in its makeup and has a breed standard which emphasises kind temperament, hardiness, independence and an active and healthy confirmation. They are bred in small numbers, partly because litter sizes are usually only 2-4 in this little dog, but also because the breeders are not in it for profit but for personal enjoyment. It's actually quite hard to get your first Norfolk as demand always outstrips supply and all the registered breeders are very particular about where puppies end up. Each time we we got three, over the past 22 years, the agreement was that if our circumstances changed at any point in the dog's life, he or she would be returned to the breeder, not given to a rescue, and that we wouldn't breed from the dog without permission. If we did so, the puppies would in any case not be eligible for Kennel Club registration. Consequently, you never see purebred Norfolks in rescue, and though I'm sure there are some delightful Norfolk crossbreds out there, so far they've escaped the attention of the bandwagonners who just breed any two dogs and call it a new breed. Don't get me wrong, I think responsible crossbreeding is often a good thing, when somebody like HenGen does it with two suitable dogs on a small scale, not for profit - the trouble starts when puppy farmers and backyard breeders let standards slip, and then the dogs, puppies, and ignorant new owners all suffer down the line.
sorry, folks - rant over - i just feel so strongly about the need for good-enough puppies to end up in good-enough homes!
 
Hen-gen what a beautiful dog :-) I must admit some of these new breeds do look rather smart and I do like the look of the cockapoo. I don't like the French bulldog/pug types. You can clearly see and hear their breathing is not right. My neighbour has two. She can't walk them far because they cannot breathe properly. I just think it is unnecessary cuelty.
Rant all you want, Marigold, you are only saying what we are all thinking, too.
 
On the subject of responsible this is OH by the way, I was helping on an Essex Wildlife Trust reserve yesterday when a very distressed woman came running up to us, saying her dog had been attacked by two dogs we ran over to see a teenager with two extremely large dogs Rottweiler size couldn't hang onto them or control them dragging them up the track. We grabbed the poor dog a Bichon Frise and got it back to the centre whilst someone followed boy and dogs.
The dog had multiple lacerations right down to the bone in a couple of places, we bandaged the wounds as the poor woman was being physically sick at the sight of them, and the ranger drove her to a vet, the dog has a broken jaw, 6 broken ribs.
The other dogs owner walked off with a "not my problem mate". Luckily two 15 year olds on the site video'd the attack and brought the footage into the centre and is now in the hands of the police, and two people also said they know where the person lives, and they believe they are some type of Argentinian breed.
 
Perhaps the Dogo Argentina. Were they white?
Either way they are just Pitbulls under another name. In fact the Dangerous Dogs Act prohibits keeping them without special permission. Why people keep such breeds says a lot about their feelings of inadequacy.
 
That sounds awful, the poor woman, well done everyone on rallying round and I hope the owners get dealt with. A friend of mine had her large labradoodle set on by some sort of pit bull, he fell off a ridge, but survived, but obviously it was a horrible experience. I have to say we have had experience of looking after an 'inappropriate puppy considering the circs' for 10 days very recently and it was extremely stressful and tiring, just like having a toddler as you say Marigold. A family member chose to have a german shorthaired pointer, as the breeder lives next door. He was 3-4 months old, required 3 runs (not walks) a day, plus 15 minutes off the lead in a secure pen, and was not trained to do anything except sit for a treat. Nothing was his fault, he is a young pup, but my goodness the energy levels required. The family member is 64, married to someone who is 69. She has severely underestimated the amount of exercise he needs, and how strong he is. He is kept in the kitchen, not allowed elsewhere in the house, and can go into a small yard for the toilet. There is also a 13 year old dog, who has not taken well to the pup. The breeder looked on ruefully when he saw us struggling. He has kept the Mum and one of the pups, they are off the lead, the pup already more or less behaves, they live outside a lot and have the run of the garden. I won't go into the words that we tried to have when the family member got home, but suffice to say, it did not go well.
 
Interesting.. https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

I had never even heard of the Argentinian breed.
Would probably be best if all dogs were muzzled in public ?
 
As a result of this post I was discussing this subject with a visitor this morning. Three years ago she owned a puppy that was like a long legged, heavy jawed Staffordshire Bull Terrier (yeh right). When it grew to be about two years old one day it leapt over a fence and tore the face off a sheep. She immediately called a neighbour who had a gun who called down and shot it. I applaud her actions in destroying the dog but sigh at the naivity of ever having acquired it.
A problem is that a breed is a human construct. Anyone who owned a pit bull at the time of all that controversy could have mated it to a Rottweiler, kept a puppy and circumvented the law.
Ignorance is a major problem. The man on the Clapham omnibus seems to think that dogs come in different sizes and colours but are otherwise all the same. The truth is that hundreds of years of selection for different purposes have resulted in animals with very distinctive behaviours. Though I love dogs and have bred Weimaraner and Cairns I am apprehensive of approaching some breeds. I have no fear of Irish Wolfhounds but am nervous around the considerable smaller Doberman.
I am open to the idea of tighter controls though concerned about draconian measures. Universal muzzling in public, dogs always on leads, castration of all male dogs outside of liscenced breeders are measures that for me would remove all the pleasures of dog ownership. But I concede that such things could become necessary. It is, as in so many walks of life, the idiots who spoil it for the rest of us.
We also agreed that there is no dog that is 100% safe with stock. Any dog is a carnivore and if the right (wrong!) triggers are tripped then primal behaviour can ensue. It is for this reason that no dog should be left alone with a small child. A chance stimulus can turned your King Charles Spaniel into a killer. Of course I’d rather be attacked by a KCS than a Rottweiler but you get the point.
The experience that that Bichon owner had is horrifying. But what’s to be done?
 
The breed is Dogo Argentino, basically they are an Argentinian mastiff bred for hunting big game especially Puma, and is banned in UK. Some people who recognised the owner, have intimated they are traveller/drug dealer folk who have that type of dog for protection. I just thank God that as horrific as it was, it didn't happen to a small child. I totally agree with your points Hen-Gen.
It is the most stuff to be used out of the first aid box ever. We also had a Kestrel and Barn Owl brought in as people mistakenly think the Wildlife Trust take in sick animals, we take them down to the wildlife hospital about 15 mins away, sadly they were victims of rodent poison. Not a good day
 
Even if that poor little Bichon does make a full physical recovery, the experience will be with her for life and all her confidence when meeting unknown dogs will be shot to pieces. Both Trog, our previous Norfolk, and Poppy, our present one, were attacked more than once by aggressive dogs off lead and totally out of control, and as a result, lost their trust in meeting new dogs and displayed fear aggression defences when one came by. Poppy was very well socialised with other dogs and got on really well with all of them until she was year old and the attacks started from a Scottie who would just run at her and start biting, with no warning or preliminaries at all. The second time I saw the dog coming and hauled Poppy up by the collar on her neck just as the dog got to us, and as a result got bitten and scratched on my leg through my jeans. Fortunately it was nothing like as bad as the attack on the Bichon, but dogs never forget trauma like that, and Poppy always growls ferociously at unknown dogs when we see them, which makes her seem like a nasty little tyke, when she's a teddy bear really, and still friendly with all the local dogs she knew before the incidents.
And as for the effect on the Bichon's owner - poor woman, I'm only glad she had you all to help her and her dog. I hope the owner of the dogs is prosecuted and at least made to pay the vets bills plus a ban on keeping dogs.
 
I love watching ceasar Milan, the dog whisperer. He gives you a great understanding of a dog.
Dogs are great when trained, when they're not they become pack leader and become a pain.
 

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