Advice re Baytril please

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Hi Folks,
I have put this as a new thread although it is really a continuation of the coughs and sneezles one. I have spoken to my vet today and described the symptoms of a couple of the chickens and asked about Baytril. His first reaction was, not for use in egg laying birds and not licensed for use in chickens etc etc. In other words the standard response. I talked about the advice on this forum and he then decided he could give it to me and rather than put it in the water I should give each of the eight chickens I have a dose individually, as by water the dose would be dependent on how much each chicken decided to drink. He also said that I would have to not use the eggs for at least 7 days.
My next action was to look back on this forum for the advice about medication. The advice referred to 10% Baytril for respiratory diseases and 28 days egg withdrawal. I think my vet was saying he would give me 2.5% Baytril.
I have two things I need to ask you good people.
Which Baytril should I be getting and how long for egg withdrawal?
Thanks
Jud
 
to clarify. Baytril 10% is an injectable, and an oral treatment. Baytril 2.5% is a oral solution. 2.5% contains 25mgs of the drug where as 10% contains 100mgs of the drug. Baytril 10% is not advised usually for birds and is for larger animals. 2.5% is advised for birds but not recommended for the use with turkeys and chickens and neither should be used unless under the instruction of a vet. http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-medication/poultry-medication/baytril-used-to-treat-respiratory-problems.html
check this link and speak to your vet about it. also if you feel your vet is not experienced enough then get a referral to a poultry vet or a second opinion from a farm vet.
 
When my girl was poorly a couple of weeks ago she was prescribed Baytrill. She had an initial injection and then oral solution to follow. It was the 2.5% solution and the first vet I saw told me to give her 1ml in her drinking water per day for four days.

As she was not drinking for herself when I saw another vet (this was a bit confusing) she told me to give her 0.3ml a day directly into her mouth - she seemed very suprised at the dosage of 1ml from the other vet (even suggested I'd got it mixed up - I later found the prescriprion to prove it!) I carried on the medication at the 0.3ml for the next few days. As Mai hadn't been drinking all her daily allowance of water she never got the full 1ml per day dosage as prescribed by the first vet - good job she didn't possibly?

All in all she was on Baytrill in one form/dosage or another for 5-6 days. She is not of laying age so egg withdrawal wasn't a problem and to be honest I don't know whether it was Baytrill or the Coxi+ that helped her to get better or if she simply pulled through. I still don't know 100% what was wrong with her. She is fine now although she is not great at picking up small pieces of food - her eye/beak co-ordination is a bit off kilter.

Not a huge help in answering your query but hopefully hearing other experiences will be of use!?

I found this fairly useful, although it does say Baytrill is not for use on poultry... :-)19

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Compendium/Overview/-41034.html
 
cuwiar said:
As Mai hadn't been drinking all her daily allowance of water she never got the full 1ml per day dosage as prescribed by the first vet - good job she didn't possibly?
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0.3ml is the minimum dose for efficacy. 1ml wouldn't have hurt if she had all the water. but it's not likely that she would depending on how much water you mixed it with. :) but even if you mixed it with another 1ml of water it still wouldn't have done much other than maybe give her the runs or possibly make it less effective next time you used it from over exposure. just depends on how she metabolised it.

oh and cuwiar, you might find this link more helpful for you http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Bayer_plc/Baytril_2_5_ACU-_Oral_Solution/-23497.html

factoring in most full size not banties are about 1kg-1.8kg not including feathers! 0.4mg-0.3mg is correct dosage. :D
 
cuwiar said:
Thanks Steph, good to know!
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No problem, if you ever wanna search NOAH just put the drug name, NOAH into google and it should put you to the link for it and you use the bar on the left column to navigate to dosages, precautions, uses etc...
 
Thanks for all that detailed information, Steph. It'll be really useful for reference, especially to people who don't have access to a 'chicken vet.'
 
Marigold said:
Thanks for all that detailed information, Steph. It'll be really useful for reference, especially to people who don't have access to a 'chicken vet.'
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no problem Marigold, glad to help. as long as people are sure they speak to a vet when unsure, most vets even non chook vets will discuss things they don't know. you get the odd few old vets that are either their way or the highway but they are usually farm vets!! :lol: :lol: i've worked with a few in my time! :-)07
 
:D :D Appreciate the further info.
Steph, I had looked at the poultry keeper link before posting and started to get confused when it talked about 10 % baytril when I knew my vet was prescribing 2.5%. He is a farm vet and I use him for my horse and dog and the rest of the menagerie but the farms around here tend to look on poultry as replaceable rather than treatable so I don't think the practice see much in the way of hens. Anyway, from what you are saying it looks like I am getting the correct antibiotic so hopefully it will help alleviate their symptoms.
Cuwiar, I think from your advice I would be better to dose orally because I couldn't be sure how much water she was drinking. I think I possibly have two chesty hens and one slightly sniffly one at the moment but don't want it to spread any more. My lot are all point of lay and at the moment on a good day I might get two eggs from eight hens so egg withdrawal is not a huge issue for me either. I just wasn't sure how long to safely leave egg withdrawal.
Thanks folks :D :D
 
Yes of course you're right about seeing the vet for advice, Steph, good point, but it's still very helpful to have some understanding of the issues beforehand, so you can take in and evaluate what the vet is recommending. It's all a bit technical for people like me with no dispensing experience.
 
beejud said:
:D :D Appreciate the further info.
Steph, I had looked at the poultry keeper link before posting and started to get confused when it talked about 10 % baytril when I knew my vet was prescribing 2.5%. He is a farm vet and I use him for my horse and dog and the rest of the menagerie but the farms around here tend to look on poultry as replaceable rather than treatable so I don't think the practice see much in the way of hens. Anyway, from what you are saying it looks like I am getting the correct antibiotic so hopefully it will help alleviate their symptoms.
Cuwiar, I think from your advice I would be better to dose orally because I couldn't be sure how much water she was drinking. I think I possibly have two chesty hens and one slightly sniffly one at the moment but don't want it to spread any more. My lot are all point of lay and at the moment on a good day I might get two eggs from eight hens so egg withdrawal is not a huge issue for me either. I just wasn't sure how long to safely leave egg withdrawal.
Thanks folks :D :D
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if you don't feel comfortable dosing down the hatch with a syringe Bee. you can soak some cooked rice, sweet corn, oats with the solution or powder and it should be easier to admin as they will, forgive the turkey term, gobble it all up!! :D I totally understand what you mean about your 'farm vet' they are very no nonsense. but i think if you explain your situation, they do know the building blocks of the treatment, even if they don't have the bedside manner! you might just have to squeeze it out of them! hehe I'm sure if you explain your situation and concerns they should be able to help.

You're welcome Marigold, if you ever get confused send me a PM :)
 
Marigold said:
Bertie & The Chooks said:
You're welcome Marigold, if you ever get confused send me a PM :)
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Thanks for the offer - I'll try not to inundate you - at my age, i get confused all the time!
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... i do work as a carer for the elderly and disabled now. :-)02 :-)10 ;) pro bono? hahah :D
 
Bertie & The Chooks said:
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if you don't feel comfortable dosing down the hatch with a syringe Bee. you can soak some cooked rice, sweet corn, oats with the solution or powder and it should be easier to admin as they will, forgive the turkey term, gobble it all up!! :D I totally understand what you mean about your 'farm vet' they are very no nonsense. but i think if you explain your situation, they do know the building blocks of the treatment, even if they don't have the bedside manner! you might just have to squeeze it out of them! hehe I'm sure if you explain your situation and concerns they should be able to help.

Steph, thanks for further suggestions about dosing using food. That might be easier and not a two man job. Would you treat all eight hens even though they are not all showing symptoms or just the three that are? It's quite contagious so I suppose if I didn't treat all of them they may be quietly incubating the germs and it would just end up prolonging the length of treatment. Think I might have just answered my own question there :D
I think I may have given the wrong impression of my vet. They are very good and very helpful just don't get a lot of hens through the door. Personally, I think vets may have to become a bit more knowledgeable about poultry since they are becoming so much more popular as more people "see the light" and realise the pleasure they bring as well as the worry :roll:
Jud
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:) yeah i think i would treat all if they are on the same land. but that's just my opinion. you haven't given a bad impression, just an honest one! there are a couple 'types' of vets lol they all have their issues ;) at the end of the day they all have the same building blocks and are there for the same reasons. so you just have to mould them to work for you and what your needs are! some are a little harder clay to work with. :D
 
Hi Beejud. Reading off the bottle:-
Baytril 10% oral (poultry) x 10mLs. 0.1ml per kg bodyweight. (So 2.5Kg bird is 0.25mL)
Which we know is once a day and administer by my wife holding bird and me prising open the beak to squirt dose down the back of the throat using a 1.0mL syringe (no needle) followed by a grape as a treat which helps with the taste. Most difficult bit is weighing the bird in the first place, if the vet has only issued the Baytril and not seen the bird (we have good vet who knows cash is tight).
 
Hi again, just adding another tuppence - luckily when administering the Baytril to my girl I didn't have to do the 'open beak and squirt' method, I found that she would slurp from the syringe (but she was very poorly and placid). The Baytril is very syrupy though and I found that adding the 0.3ml Baytril to a very small amount of watery egg yolk (to make the full 1ml or 2ml or however you want to do it) I could slowly squirt the mixture into the side of her beak and as her beak filled she would drink it. Less traumatic but more time consuming! :-)17 :-)06 :-)19
 
Well, these things never turn out to be as straightforward as you think they will be. As I was going to have to do all the dosing on my own I thought I would plump for the " easy" option and use food. A wee cube of bread maybe, soaks up the antibiotic ? I offered that to the wheeziest hen who snatched out my hand and shot off at top speed around the run with seven squawking banshees in hot pursuit trying to take it from her.I couldn't believe I was stupid enough to think that would work. Isolate them, that's the answer thought I. I barricaded off a small area and offered the next dose to wheezy number two who refused to eat it because the rest were on the other side. Had to abandon that idea. Boiled rice suggested by Steph. Plan 3. That did work but took ages to dose all eight of them individually while fighting off the hangers on all trying to stick their beaks in. And the bad news is I have to do it all over again tomorrow and the day after........ :-)07
No manners my lot!
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:
At least you got it down them! :-)08 Ever wondered what our non-chicken neighbours must think of us running round the garden like nutjobs!? :-)07 I'm sure one day a yellow van and white jacket will be parked at the bottom of my driveway! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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