6MONTHS OLD LOHMANN BROWN NOT LAYING YET??

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Please I am new member to the forum and a small poultry farmer out here in Cameroon Central Africa and I am in dear need of assistance or information on what is it that I am doing WRONG that today May 5,2011 makes exactly 6 months and none of our Lohmann Brown layers (1400 quantities ) have started giving me any eggs yet. Its already demoralizing to me to see that with all this period of time that I have been feeding them(1500) none has started producing any eggs. And talking about feeding, it has been a financial hell knowing that up till this moment they cannot produce me any eggs .All their medications were given to them at the exact schedule time and they have all been dewormed.Based on our selection of these birds we were told and that the start to lay as from 18 weeks of age but to day it is almost 26weeks or 6 months to be exact yet no one eggs has been found on our farm .We're already discouraged due to the financial burden feeding 1500 birds for a period of 6 months today yet no one egg has been produced .I will really appreciate if someone can share out any valid information they may have about Lohmann Brown, their start of lay period and late can they start to lay .It is normal for these birds to get into their 6 months today yet no one drop of eggs???

Thanks in advance for your information
 
Hello, are they red faced? i.e. is the combs and wattles bright red? pink? or very pale pink/white? 26 weeks is not that old to start- some breeds take longer some much shorter. What are you feeding? Any information/pics would be of great help.
regards, David :)
 
Pls I just answered your mail with long answers and unfortunately my laptop power went off and all my long mail to you got lost. Yes majority already have their comb and wattles bright red but not all and some still have pale pink .Will post photos tomorrow once I go back to the farm
As for my feeding
Below is what I give them right up to now based on 1 tone= 1000KG of FOOD based also on our local food availability and prices

CORN=====636KG
SOYA BEANS==203KG
PREMIX-VITAMEX=25KG
SHELLS=====77KG
BONES=====17
WHEAT MILLDING==42

TOTAL ===1000KG

for the 1400 birds that I currently have I give them 100 kgs of feed a day and a friend recommended I should Increase to 150 kg because of the fact that they have not started to lay ? what you have to say on this? Also I am really confused if I should changed formula next week or not because present formula for six month says they're suppose to have started laying but now that no eggs and no lay should I just stay with my current feed formula? also find below are additional feed currently available in my local market incase you have any recommendation for present formula
Groundnut cake
Cotton Cakes
Palm Kernel Cakes
Wheat Brand

Its not an open secret that most feed producers and layers producers out here are just too very dishonest with it comes to poultry business all they want is your money. you will really have to convinced most people around here that all layers do not start to lay eggs at the age of 18 weeks .all such false information is provided by suppliers of day old layers and feed so as to make more people get into the business so to produce more feed and sell more day old layers because many out here do not want dare venture in this laying business because of the cost of feeding and also everything is usually financed out of the pocket of the local farmers without any gov't assistance ..reason the burden is really hitting me now hard because if I knew at 18 weeks my layers will not yet produced me any eggs, honestly I will not have ventured in this business business feeding price is what is really a draw back out here feed supplier changing prices by the minutes because they know farmers have no choice but to buy only from them ..waiting to read from you and all your suggestions are welcomed very highly and please excuse my English for not editing because Net service out here is a hell ..Already drafted my mail to you 3 times and the electricity went off ..So you can imagine what I am going through to send you this mail OK
 
I've just looked at the analysis of the layers pellets which I use:

Protein 17.50 %
Fibre 3.4 %
Oils & fats 4.01 %
Ash 13.72 %
Lysine 0.84 %
Total methionine 0.35 %
Calcium 4.2 %
Sodium 0.20 %
Phosphorus 0.50 %

I have no technical ability or knowledge in regard to feed formulation but I understand that chickens such as the Lohmann Brown need feed which is formulated around what is above. The level of protein is particularly important for these highly bred layers and anything less than 16 % would not allow them to function as egg layers or to start to lay at an early age.

It would be very unusual in this country for any breed of layer to start laying before 22 weeks and most need a little longer (24-26 weeks). The fact that combs and wattles have developed and are red indicates that they are close to lay. Another factor which influences development and egg production is the length of light in the day.

I am full of admiration that you have reared so many from day old to point of lay and wish you every success.

I hope this is of some help.
 
Thanks a bunch for your precise answer. Believe it or not most of the Poultry keepers out here are majority illiterates and so what ever suppliers of feed and hatchery tell them they just go by such information without any research >and you will be surprised to know that most poultry keeps out here have been made to understand that all layers start to lay at age 18 weeks and so anybody that keeps layer and your layers does not start to lay after 18 weeks, they start to raised eye browse wondering if you're doing the right thing or not . At least with your answer, I am a little peace of mind with myself even though with the prior information I was provided out here by false suppliers of day old and feed, I wrongly budgeted for 20 weeks start of lay latest and not its kinda of stressful on me but I know with Gods grace I will make up financially.
I will definitely come back to you on more question about your feed formula above and was wondering after adding all of the % above they all summed up to 44.47% and I am wondering if the total feed weight (size of bag is 50kg like we have out here or what? and secondly I did not see corn in your formula above or you have it under different name like we have out here or call it out here as corn ?
 
I am back with some good news !
This past Satuday we were able to picked our first egg in our farm the next day Sunday we picked the second egg again. This Past Monday and yesterday tuesday we picked more eggs. totaling 8 eggs so far and Yesterday May 10,2011 makes it exactly 6 months since I put our 1500 day old Lohmann Brown layers onto our farm for egg production. As of the the time of this writing today May 11,2011, I have not yet visited the farm and I know they will be more eggs today. Now here is my question, and I welcome any suggestion. I know as from next week I will need to change the feed formulation now that I have seen my first egg. this formulation will be the layer mash and based on current feed availability I will like suggestions and recommendation on the new layer mash that I should start with . Here is currently my formula which I have been feeding them with based on a 1000kg of feed(1ton)

CORN ===636
SOYA BEAN= 203
CONCENTRATE (VITAMEX)=== 25
SHELL====77
BONES===17
Wheat ===42
TOTAL ===1000KG(1ton) 20bags of 50Kg each
Also here as some more feed currently available locally in my area
Fish meal, Groundnut cake, Palm Kernel Cake, Cotton Cake, Wheat Brand.

Please I will appreciate any criticism or recommendation on my current and future layer feed formula based on the current food avail in my zone .

Thanks and I will forward to your comments
 
I'm afraid I can't help you about what you should be feeding your birds since the supply situation in Cameroon is obviously quite different from here in the UK, where we would just give layers pellets to pullets coming into lay. Most of us here feed layers pellets rather than layers mash since they're more economical, the birds can't pick and choose which bits of the food they eat but have to clear up the lot and so there's less waste and dust. Also I've no experience with industrial-sized egg production farms, though I'm impressed by what you're trying to do and I'm sure you'll get success quite soon. However, with my limited experience of raising hybrid pullets, I would say it's not usual for any birds to begin laying as soon as 18-20 weeks. I've had a variety of hybrid pullets over the years and mine have never laid before 22-23 weeks and some are later than this. The longest to mature took 28 weeks before her first egg. However, you can tell when they're ready to lay by 1) the colour of their combs, should be bright red and the combs need to be fully developed, with points along the comb. 2) when you run your hand along the back of a pullet about to come into lay, she crouches with her wings sticking out to the sides, as a sign she's expecting a cockerel's attentions, ie is nearly mature.
I expect you know that the first eggs they lay will be quite small compared with what they'll manage when they really get going? The first ones are called pullet eggs and the birds need a bit of practice as they mature fully and produce larger eggs.
The other thing which surprised me about your first post was that you seemed to be restricting their feed to what you considered to be the right amount. I think here most people keeping chickens would recommend feeding ad lib, ie as much as the birds need to eat, letting them regulate their own appetites. The feeder should never run empty especially whilst the birds are still growing. If they have plenty of clean water and food at all times they'll grow at their own uninterrupted pace. If my maths is right, you're feeding 1 kilo of food to 14 birds per day, ie about 70 grams each, which seems to me to be less than my pullets would eat. Mine also have access to quite a lot of good grass so don't eat as many pellets as they would if confined without green food supplement, and i don't expect yours have this advantage as there are so many of them. Could you let us know how you are keeping them ,ie are they in cages, or in barns, or free range outside?
One more point - have you wormed your birds? I would worm mine at 16-18 weeks, and every 6 months htereafter, especially if they're kept in commercial conditions where probably they're fairly restricted as to space. If they're not wormed regularly, egg production as well as other aspects of health will go down or maybe even be extra slow starting.

P.S. (Edit;) I see in your first post you did worm them and I'm sure you're doing everything right - you just have to be patirent a bit longer, hard though it is!

Good luck with your enterprise and please keep in touch and let us know how you get on.

P.S.(Edit) Here in the U.K. we probably wouldn't feed mixed corn to growing birds or to layers, or would do so only in very small quantities as a 'treat' for those of us who have just a few tame domestic birds. This is because it's got lots of calories, ie is fattening, but not much protein, which hybrid layers need a lot of. Corn is warming, so in winter here, people sometimes give more to help the birds keep warm through long, dark nights when it's freezing cold, but I don't suppose this is a problem for you! Egglaying hybrids such as your Lohmanns are bred to consume a carefully-blended, commercially produced, high-protein diet from an early age, to get them into lay and to support them in producing an egg daily for the length of their lay. Sadly, this often results in health problems for the birds after 18-24 months, when egglaying falls off and many of the birds become prone to problems such as prolapse from their intensive rearing and egglaying. At this point, or even earlier, it's usual for commercial chicken farmers here to cull all their birds and start with a new batch. So maybe, (just maybe, I don't know for sure,) egglaying might have been delayed a bit for your birds because the diet they received as growers wasn't properly balanced for their specialised needs, and perhaps they weren't fed as much as they wanted to eat. If so this could have delayed their development, but as I say I don't really know. However, it may actually have helped them, if they developed a bit more slowly in a more 'natural' way, so maybe they'll go on longer even if egg production is lower than it might have been in Europe.

P.P.S; I found this on the web - http://www.hastavuk.com.tr/en/kitapciklar_en/0/brown.pdf
-ie, the breeders' management guide to the commercial production of Lohmann Brown layers, which may answer some of your questions about ideal feeding and management programmes for these hybrid birds. It certianly seems quite a specialised process, to rear them to peak production in the minimum time. Hope it helps.
 
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