Worms or something else?

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Yes, they do look like eggs. I'm surprised they are moving though. Worm eggs are killed by Flubenvet too.

Can you be sure the hen has actually had the dose of flubenvet? could she have avoided the medicated feed?

I've been looking through my literature and have found some Flubenvet info - I will try to scan and post it today.

Tim
 
Here we go, have a look at the attached...

This shows how Flubenvet (should) kill eggs of the worms....

Flubenvet.JPG
 
Hi Tim,
Yes the eggs do move they tend to morph (not sure thats the right word) into oblong tube shapes.

I made sure each hen had a dose of Flubenvet by putting it onto half a grape. I used the tip of a knife point . I did it this way as I thought I would at least know each hen had had a dose .

Will keep you posted.

Carolyn
 
Yes,I'm sure they are worm eggs.
They look identical to roundworm eggs that are easily spotted in dog faeces(if they have them)when they hatch,they look like little bits of string wriggling around.
Although they quickly grow bigger.
 
Well I took the sample over to the vets yesterday, gave it to the nurse who looked at it and saw the offending little blighters!!!!
Can you believe I rang today and she said that shes had an interim report and it shows no sign of worms or parasites, I've got to ring tomorrow to see if the rest of the report has come thru.
They also said in the report there was a lot of plant material, which was true and then that nematodes sometimes crawl up into the poo and it could be that I'd seen!!! I don't think so as I've actually watched her poo.
Tim, if I get no joy from them, will ring Minster vets. I'm hoping this isn't going to cost much.

Carolyn
 
How strange,the picture you posted definitely shows what looks like worm eggs.Good luck with getting to the bottom of this.
 
The 'poo by post' as I call it (god I hope my mates never read this, they will not stop taking the mick) is usually pretty good - it's not too pricey and gives you some answers. It is Sara who I have been in contact with at the Yorkshire Practice.

I am really interested to see what this turns out to be Carolyn as Flubenvet should kill the worms and eggs within a few days of treatment.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Tim
 
Tim said:
I am really interested to see what this turns out to be Carolyn as Flubenvet should kill the worms and eggs within a few days of treatment.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Tim
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I think we all are Tim,will be a valuable learning curve for all of us.Especially when it happens to someone else.
 
Just had phone call from vets they are still awaiting final results but there is definetly tapeworm present.
The nurse said it's usually treated with a double dose of Flubenvet but as I've just treated them to wait for 3weeks. have got to ring the vets next Monday for final results. Any suggestions.

Carolyn
 
Oh - these are fairly uncommon in poultry, they are found in the intestine.

They are right - If Flubenvet is used at the recommended levels / below 30ppm, it will not kill tapeworm.

It's the first case I've heard of. Tapeworm uses an intermediate host like earthworms - so your birds are likely to get re-infected. The secret is to treat again before the prepatent period (time in which these eggs turn into adults laying more eggs). My literature on Flubenvet and my book don't give this but as a guess 3 to 4 weeks.

Perhaps you could ask your vet for this to see when they recommend re-treating.
 
I tend to use Panacuer Sheep Wormer which is highly effective. Dose 1 cup of liquid panacuer to 8 cups of water soaked into a few loaves of brown bread. You used to only be able to get it from the vets but is now available online. I use this every 6 months, hen eggs apparantly can still be eaten with no withdrawl period, but I tend not to for 3 days, instead I collect and boil the eggs then give them to the feathered growers which they love!!!! :D :D
 
Explains why they looked like tapeworm eggs then.Garlic will definitely help to get rid of tapeworm,it is common in dogs and cats which are not wormed.
Panacur should kill tapeworm straight away,doubt you would need to repeat a dose,but i'm not 100% sure about that.Panacur is readily available over the counter at Country Wide stores,or Mole Valley Farmers,somewhere like that,or online.
 
Hi Tim, Lydia and Victoria,,

Thank you for your replies. I was getting quite panicky about these tapeworms. :( Today i've given Willow some crushed garlic in a bit of bread and put a clove in their water. Will have to wait for the vet to get back to me with the final results before giving anymore Flubenvet ,in fact I've probably got to wait another 2 weeks before dosing them again. Hopefully they will tell me how much.

If I did try Panacur how would I know what to give 3 chickens ?

If I hear from the vets will let you know.

Have a good weekend. :D

Carolyn
 
Hi Carolyn,

I'd dose the same as Sue(Victoria's poultry)suggested,but the liguid form,as you don't have as many hens you wont need to used a cup,but,say one eggcupfull of panacur to 8 of water.
The packaging might very well have the correct dosing for hens on it.
 
You can but small amounts of panacur, I would give them 100ml of panacur to 800ml of water put it in a bucket, the liquid is white. Add about 2 loaves of bread to the bucket and leave it to soak over night, the bread will have absorbed all the mixture by the morning, if there is any liquid left then add more bread to absorb all the liquid. Can also add wheat or layers mash to the mixture. Put the soggy bread into a bowl and give to the birds, (remove other feed for a few hours so they only have the bread to eat). Any bread left in the evening throw away, this will be enough to kill any worms that they may have.

Also you mentioned putting a garlic clove into the water, I would try and puy some apple cider vinegar to put in their drinking water. You can give them this any time including when worming them.

Regards Sue
 
I use fresh crushed garlic in the water quite regularly - I would give far more garlic in the water so that it is strong enough to slow those nasty tape worm down. I've used 3 or 4 crushed cloves per 3 litre drinker in the past and the chooks have been fine with it. It's not that strong.

I use ACV loads too - ACV and Garlic mixed into the water would be the two things I would not be without. Both should make the gut far less attractive for worms. Whilst I don't believe they will 'fix' the problem, they seem like the best choice whilst you are waiting.

In fact, given the problem you've got with the wait, if your chook is looking healthy and not laying (so you are not eating any eggs), (if it were me) I would be very tempted to use the Flubenvet sooner than the stated 3 week hold off period. Chances are, this is because they state Nil withdrawal period and if it is under 3 weeks, there are still residues of flubendazole in the chooks system that would add to the amount that appears in eggs and therefore mean they couldn't say nil egg withdrawal. The vet will no doubt be following the information on the label or product datasheet which is what I would do normally but this is slightly more complicated.

At the end of the day, I don't think it would kill your chook - the tape worms are more of a risk in my opinion.
 
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