When is a bargain not a bargain?

Margaid

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Am I stupid or what? No, don't answer that :oops: Not having television, when I collapse in a heap I amuse myself looking at poultry keeping stuff on ebay. I found a nice looking coop with run, useful I thought for separation if I have any problems when I get the new birds (bearing in mind my Welsummers are still "on their hols"). Being wooden, I planned to treat it with a couple of coats of creosote as I have plenty of time to let the fumes evaporate. It was larger than most similar coops advertised and was only half an hours drive away which was a definite bonus. Unfortunately I didn't have time to take a look before bidding, but I bid anyway and won it at a very reasonable price.

Went to collect it this evening and was very disappointed in the quality and the layout of nest box and perch. The worst thing though was discovering, by asking the question that I should have asked much earlier, that there had been a red mite infestation. I was assured that the coop and run had been disinfected, and indeed it was still damp, and that there had been no hens in it for a couple of months.

What I cannot understand is that the coop had been sprayed without being cleaned properly first. The nest box had straw in it, and there was some on the floor although this was slatted with a droppings board. Needless to say I asked if I could remove the straw as I didn't want to risk bringing it back here, potentially full of red mite. (I know my hens are clean, as on Saturday all the coops were cleaned completely, sprayed and the hens checked for any sort of infestation and we found nothing.)

There was caked poo at the bottom of one of the walls, which was streaked with poo because the perch was too close to it, and the perches were fouled as well. I can't get my head round someone selling a coop like that, but he seemed to think he had done a good job cleaning it.

To get it out of the garden the nest box had to come off, but we put it on the trailer still assembled. OH thought that was not a good idea but the seller thought it was too difficult to dismantle. It wasn't. Halfway home we stopped at the side of the road and took it apart as the bouncing wasn't doing it any good. There are some other bits still to unscrew to get it completely in bits, then I can (1) hit it with the airline to get muck out of the cracks, (2) vacuum it to get rid of all the loose and caked on stuff (3) steam clean it and finally (4) coat it with proper creosote as I found two 5 litre containers in one of the outhouses.

I am going to scrap the slatted floor and droppings tray and put in a solid floor as there is a cleaning door at waist height. The nest box is really only fit for the bonfire, as are the perches - they're too small and in the wrong orientation anyway. So I will reboard the side where the existing nest box is, fit an external Chick Box and put a single perch along the long axis of the coop. Then I'll take the felt off the ramp and turn it into a ladder and maybe take the felt off the plywood roof and put Onduline on it (we have some offcuts from another job which will probably do.)

As I paid cash on collection I suppose I could have rejected it on the grounds of it having had red mite (didn't see any signs of any when we were hurriedly dismantling it, but I know they're cunning little b*****s.) and probably would have done if I had my own Ebay account. As I use OH's account I didn't want to mess up his rating by being a "timewaster".

So folks, learn from my experience. If you're tempted by a nice looking hen house on ebay the most important question to ask is "Has it had redmite?". The answer I had this evening was followed by the comment that you can't keep chickens and not have red mite. Well if you use straw in the nest box and don't clean the coop properly that is probably going to be true.

So now you know what I'll be doing over the next few days, weather permitting. At least it might keep me from browsing on Ebay!!! ;)
 
If you did't like the cop when you had come to collect you should refuse to take it with you(simple as that)The seller can't leve you a negative feedback.You had no obligation to pay for it in the first place as like with all stuff you had't see with you very own eyes.I had sold may thing on e-bay and always offered on collection for people if they not like it do not take with you and few times they chose this option.If the cop was advertized as clean and you had find it dirty it was't decribed propely and you should't take it.We all make mistakes do not bit youself over this too much.
 
Thanks for your support Tygrysek. Cleanliness wasn't part of the description - it looked fine in the photographs and was just described as used and in good condtion which it is as nothing is broken or missing. I just can't understand someone not cleaning something properly before selling it.

As I understand the law ( and the ebay rules) at an auction, whether on-line or not, once you're bid has been accepted that's it. You have contracted to buy. It isn't a disaster, just not the bargain I hoped it would be and also a bit disappointing. It does mean that OH won't complain when I ask him to help rebuild it the way I want it, or when I ask for help to build the Poultry Palace which will be my main hen house.

You are obviously a very generous person, allowing people to back out of a contract they have made with you.

I posted more as a warning to anyone thinking of buying a secondhand coop, whether on ebay or through some other advert, to ask more questions than I did - particulalry about red mite as we've all read so much about how diificut it can be to eradicate them.
 
Yes I think what we all can learn from this is that your contract is to buy an item which is as described, and to ask all the relevant questions to the seller on the eBay site before bidding. Then, if the item is not as the seller has described it, you are within your contractual rights to refuse it when examined. In this case, you could have got assurances online about its cleanliness, freedom from redmite, and inside layout. Then, when making atrangements with the seller to collect it, you could be explicit about the points you felt were priorities, and say you will only buy it if it turned out to be as described in response to your questions. Otherwise, if people were bound to buy whatever they saw, sellers could get away with selling all sorts of old rubbish. (As indeed they do, in many cases.) At least you know all about what hens actually need, and can now set about rectifying the situation. An inexperienced person would have put the hens straight in without knowing what was wrong.
 
Very well put Marigold. I didn't bother too much when I bought the Solway plastic house as I knew I could scrub it completely. That wasn't as clean as the seller thought either when we took the floor out to get it in the vehicle, but he did seem slightly embarrassed by that and immediately went to get a brush.
 
Doesn't sound that dirty Margaid. When you consider I cleaned out a school's coop recently and used a fork and spade. The smell was so bad I took out the windows to get some air through it. Then broke the 6" thick slab into pieces with a fork (too hard for the spade) and carried the pieces on a spade to the wheelbarrow outside. Even the perches had 1" of poo stuck to them. Took 10 barrows and 4 hours!! Guy in charge said "it was only cleaned out a few weeks ago". Didn't see any red mite. It was that bad in there they must have moved out!!!
 
It was that bad in there they must have moved out!!!

This made me :lol: :lol: :lol: so much :lol: :lol: :lol: They may be burn alive with the poo.But haw you can get a chicken cop that dirty in the school :o
 
They relied on volunteers to clean it out and it's not the sort of job anyone would volunteer for! Except me apparently. Anyway after that they got some lad in on work experience. Apparently he was one of the teachers kids and he was such a duffer he couldn't get a placement anywhere except there. So he now spends his days feeding and cleaning out -should have paid a bit more attention in class I think.

I'll be signing off until October soon Tygysek as only 5 weeks to go. Vet round next week for blood tests. Just started 4th coop then 4 runs to build and I take them to France followed two weeks later by the chickens. So I am just very busy.
 

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