The old virus overcomes me.

I can't remember where, but I have read that if one hen is a bully then she should be isolated for several days. The theory is that the other hens sort out their pecking order so that when the bully rejoins them her position has altered. Whether that would work here where Ash is so obviously the dominant hen, also being larger and possibly older than the others, is debatable.

It is a difficult one as Willow obviously needs time to recover but isolating her would almost certainly make things much worse. It seems to me that a call to the breeder to exchange Ash is the way to give them both the best outcome.

More experienced poultry keepers than me may have some better ideas ...
 
Thanks Rick. Actually there are solid surfaces at each end of the roosting perch, which is about 1.5 metres long, so she couldn’t fall off the end. She must have fallen either forward or backward, if she was pushed off when asleep. The last two nights, when I’ve checked them after dark, Willow has been squashed up tight against the end wall by the other two, whilst Ash has taken herself off to the en-suite in the nest box of the coop. She sleeps there in solitary state, is evidently housetrained as she doesn’t do any poos overnight, and lays her egg before emerging for breakfast next morning. Chickens never cease to surprise you!
 
The last two days, I’ve shut Willow and her placid friend, Piper, in the back half of the run, screened off like when I get new pullets for integration. I wanted to see how Willow would get on if not chased or attacked, and able to eat in peace. This part contains the low perch where everybody except Ash chooses to roost at night, and so I know Willow can hop up on to it. Ash and the other totally scatty Skyline, Amber, have had the other half of the run, with the coop in it, where Ash roosts and lays her egg. Amber has the choice of roosting on the other perch or joining Ash in the coop - she chose to sleep on her own on the perch, but cuddled right up against the dividing screen between her part and the other perch where Willow and Piper slept.

Willow seemed to be having a good couple of days, using her leg when necessary but sitting down most of the time. But I was afraid she might be in pain long term, and I lost a lot of sleep last night, wondering if it would be kindest in the long run to take her to the vet to be pts. I couldn’t face tackling the job myself. (Yes I must be getting soft in my old age. It’s best not to get too fond of your chickens.)

Anyway, this morning I went down to decide, and although her lameness is much the same, she is bright eyed and hungry, not apparently in pain - I think if the pain was constant and bad, she would look more tucked up and unhappy. So today I’m trying Option B. Ash is now confined in the half with the coop, on her own, and the other three are in the other half, apparently quite friendly and happy together. So I’ll give it a day or so and see what happens next.
 
The little one hasn't laid yet, did you say Marigold? I once had a pullet who one morning I found unable to walk. She'd lost the use of both legs. I put her in a cat carrier with bedding, food & water, intending to cull her when I got home. I got delayed out, and didn't get home until early evening. She was in her box, with her first egg. And she was starting to move her legs. So I left her. Within a few hours, she was up and moving around fine.

Every time she went off lay (and she was an inveterate broody!), when she started laying again, she lost the use of one leg for a few hours, and within months, she had a permanent limp. Was the weirdest thing. I was getting to where I was thinking of culling her, because I couldn't be sure she wasn't in pain, when she dropped dead at my feet one day, having run up the pen with the others for their evening grain. Heart attack I think, because her comb suddenly turned purple and she keeled over.

I think you are doing the right thing, confining the bully. Do her good, and might put manners on her!
 
I did a similar thing with a stroppy bully, who would pick on a Light Sussex Izzie. The separation worked well and gave Izzie time to think things out and when the time came for re integration, Izzie marched up and went for the bully which was such a shock, that the bully never picked on anyone again, and they actually became constant companions.
Good luck Marigold, I am sure you can sort this
 
Years back we used to get bullying on the perches even though they had plenty of room on them. The problem was solved by fitting perch dividers to segregate the bully. Waiting until dark I then went down with a torch and fitted the divider, which just slotted over the perch and was high enough so the bully couldn't get her head over it or around it. They did work and at one stage we had 3 in use, but haven't needed them since we came to France- a coincidence I'm sure.
 
I know that separating a bully top hen can be effective in some situations, but hold out no hopes of it curing the present problem. Ash only bullies disabled Willow, who will always be the bottom of the pecking order for reasons of size, mobility and non-assertive temperament. The two in the middle are happy with or without Ash, and are both friendly to Willow. It’s not as if they all pile in on to Willow, it’s only Ash, and she has only done it since Willow’s accident - which she caused. I suppose Ash does it because she perceives Willow as failing to fall into line, when actually it’s because Willow can’t move fast enough to do so. The situation might change if Ash was isolated for long enough for one at least of the middle two to come into lay and thus have more hormones to challenge Ash on her return, but the middle two would seem to have no need to try that.
Whether still top hen or displaced from this position, Ash would still bully Willow. Each hen in the pecking order can be pecked by all those above her, if they wish, and can peck all those who are lower than she is. Normally this works fine, a few warning looks from the ‘officers’ keeps everybody in line and happy, but if one low- ranking, immature, disabled pullet is singled out by anyone above her, she remains defenceless. At present I’ve separated Ash to protect Willow and enable the others to continue their bond with her as a threesome.

Realistically, there are only two solutions, I think; either Ash or Willow must go. I’ve written to the lady I got them from, asking if she would be willing to exchange Ash and sell me another pullet as well, so I could introduce a pair to the remaining original three. I’d be really sorry to part with Ash, she’s such a beautiful bird, not aggressive to ‘normal’ hens, and has laid every day since starting. But if I can’t rehome her, then there may be a hard decision to take about Willow.




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The plot thickens!
Nice surprise today. First little blue egg from Piper. Also strange broken shell, inside wet and eaten out, presumably from Amber, the scatty Skyline, as the egg Ash laid first thing today had been removed and eaten for breakfast by us!

Ash roosts in the coop and always lays first thing. Then in the morning I go down and swap her into the back area, where the other three roost, and let them out to have access to the coop area, to lay if they want to.

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I suppose there are situations where one just annoys another - as in Ash just finds Willow annoying outside of any normal pecking order system. There is no guarantee, of course, that new hens will be predictable. Ash has a similar glint in her eye to my blacktail Arial - she was always annoyed by everyone and wasn't top hen all of the time.
Its so difficult to know - one of the things that made it workable with Aerial and the CLBs (Betty as well) was that they were much too nimble and flighty to really get in trouble. There would be a ruckus at roost time but that can only go on so long when the light is fading.
But if Willow is delicate and with the injury then - its early days, as you say, they are not all yet in lay. I'm tempted to think 'better the devil you know.' It will mean some in view separation of two groups (will do anyway with a new pair.) Even Aerial (and Blaze before her) cooled down over time. Could you split the flock to give Willow a friend and mix things up for Ash? Your other two sound sensible and should be able to cope with a bit of change for a while.
Do you think maybe a one off accident with Amber and the egg?
... Quite aside (doesn't solve anything) but it has seemed to me before that 'bullies' get just as stressed as those on the receiving end. Well maybe not always. When Betty was finally out from under the hybrid sisters and new hens arrived she seemed to take on the role of tyrant with great relish!
 
I think you’re right about bullies being stressed, Rick - whether they’re chickens or people! It’s those who are uncertain about their position in their society who have to take it out on others. Which is why challenging them in a non-violent, calm and assertive way, or laughter, can pop their bubble. (can hens laugh?)

Willow has had a better day today. You can see she has no social problems with the other two, standing on the plate, getting in on top of things and having a good share of the teatime feed!

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Here she is, sitting and surveying the scene, with Piper in the background. Both of these pullets are supposed to be marans x CLB. Interesting to see the recognisable differences in the way their plumage turned out. Piper lays blue eggs so that’s from the CLB parent, but has marans barring, with a little tuft of CLB crest. Willow has CLB plumage but we don’t know what colour egg yet.

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Marigold said:
(can hens laugh?)
The beauty of animals - only for reason of being happy!

Willow looks so much like Betty but with a fuller head of feathers. Awww, I miss Betty!
 
A better day today. Willow a bit more active. See video, what do you think? Poor quality video but you can get the general idea.
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Amber, the Skyline who ate her first egg yesterday, laid another normal one today - 50.2grams - good effort for a beginner.
 
Ouch! Does it feel like its in the right place on the hip? Is the tendon over the heel in place? Can she grip? Defiantly no movement other than on the flat until it gets much better. Bonnie was like this and it wasn't good in the end but then she was much heavier. Similar but different, Bonnie had to kick back on each step whereas Willow is holding her leg up in what seems to me to be a more regular strain (involving the main tendon I think.) Although it didn't fix anything in the end - Bonnie was always looser after a 5 min very gentle leg massage - being careful not to flex it outwards.
 
She does hop up onto the night perch by herself, which is about 12” off the ground, and presumably parachutes down in the morning, as she’s always down when I look at about 7.15. I had been lifting her up at night but then I found she had managed it by herself, quite early in the evening. Seems to have no difficulty in balancing on the perch, which must indicate enough grip to keep her stable, although maybe this is mostly with her unaffected leg, and because she has the perch end surface one side and Piper cuddled up on the other, to wedge her into place. She doesn’t perch or leave the ground during the day. What you see on this video us about the extent of her exercise before her leg collapses and she sits down and rests.
Mostly she just rests in the ‘tea cosy position’, like in yesterday’s photo, but today she was lying on her side for some of the time, with the lame leg out in top. I don’t know why this file keeps coming sideways,sorry.
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Yes I agree it’s most likely a tendon strain. Did Bonnie get any better with time? If there’s a chance that Willow will improve, even if not fully normal, I’m willing to keep going with her. But if not, you see my problem. Please advise!
 
I'm no expert Marigold, but I did nurse Bonnie along in a reasonable way, on and off, for about a year. It was mostly a mild but continuous limp. I think Willow needs to not fly down or up or climb up to a perch for at least a couple of week. For me it would be grounded until further notice I think. They have remarkable ways of healing but putting full strain on it every day will undo any progress. I have heard of being on the mend after a few days in the dog crate - that might be a good initial rest?
Eventually Bonnie's limp got to the point where it was obvious that it was too much and she was heading again into the mysterious over loss of weight after the Autumn moult so I thought - she's didn't have a spring to make it to. ... Bonnie was an Orpington.
 
Thank you for your help and advice, Rick, it’s good to share your experience.

Today I took Willow on a one-way trip to the vet, who agreed that sometimes rest can help a young bird heal lameness, but where there is a bad tendon injury this is not a realistic hope. So Willow has been pts. I’m sad about this but feel it was the right thing to do - it’s no life for a young bird, to be hobbling around, in pain, unable to get up into the coop to lay her egg, and possibly being pushed around by another hen.

However, something else weird has happened. I told you that for about 2 weeks Ash, the bossy one, has been sleeping in a nest box on her own and not pooing at all overnight, and then laying her immaculate white leghorn-type egg very early in the morning, including last Saturday.
And that Piper laid her first blue egg on Saturday, having been crouching for 2-3 weeks.
And that there was a third, broken, eaten, white egg in the box on Saturday afternoon, which I presumed was from Amber, who is supposedly a Skyline, and thus blue or green eggs might have been expected. But she just looks like a brown leghorn, so white was possible.

On Sunday there was a white one from Ash, first thing, that I removed. I know it was from Ash because the other two were shut in with Willow overnight and had no access to the coop until I came down to let them through and collect Ash’s egg.
Then after lunch, a blue one from Piper.
Then Amber was fussing around noisily, in and out of the coop and nest box for most of the afternoon. I went away for a short time and found a white leghorn-colour egg in the nest box, and Amber had calmed down and was back to normal. So I was glad that a) Amber had laid an egg and B) that she hadn’t eaten it.
Well, today there was no white egg from Ash. Instead there was a blue one from Piper - and a mysterious brown one from somebody else.
I can only conclude that on Saturday and Sunday Ash laid two eggs each day and had a rest today, and that the brown one today is either from Amber or Piper. Piper is supposed to be a Marans x CLB, hence her little tufty crest and barred plumage. So I suppose a brown egg is possible, from the marans parentage, and the blue ones have been from Amber the Skyline. But Piper has been crouching so ostentatiously for so long that I was expecting her to lay first. And Amber was fussing around in and out of the box yesterday afternoon, when the blue egg had already been laid earlier.

What do you think?
Chickens are constantly surprising, aren’t they? Now Willow has gone I’ve put a high perch back up, and put flower pots in the nest boxes. Will go down after dark and see what they have chosen to do about roosting. Must remember to remove the flower pots!
 
Horrible decision to have to make Marigold but probably best for Willow.

I'm confused about the eggs because on my screen the photo of the first egg that Ash laid didn't look white although I know that Leghorn eggs are white. None of my Welsummers laid the same colour of egg two days running and at the end of the summer I was getting some really pale eggs, but I've always understood that Maran eggs are brown right through the shell. it will be interesting to see what you get tomorrow!
 
You’re right, Margaid. That first pic was of a brownish egg, wasn’t it? See p.4 of thread.)
Now I’m totally confused! Maybe today the brown egg was from Ash and the blue one from Piper? I can only say that recent eggs from Ash have been sort of creamy white. What a weirdo she is!
7.20 - all 3 on the high perch. Flowerpots not required!

Ash is a very striking bird, though.

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