suitable flooring for run?

lynne

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I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Our chicken run is full height, around 9' x 12'. (we have just three girls since one died a couple of weeks back). It is just earth, which they love to dig around in. In fact, they love digging so much, they have continually undermined the slabs we walk on, which we are constantly re-setting. In the recent heavy rain, for several days, they were walking around in a total mud bath! It made cleaning out, egg collecting and general feeding, very difficult, if not dangerous, so we have come to the conclusion we have to do something about it. We were thinking of levelling, tamping down, then laying chicken wire down, pegged firmly in place. Over this, we want to give them something to scratch around in, that will be fairly easy to clean, and harmless to the birds. What would you folks suggest? We were thinking either bark chippings, or gravel?
In the winter, we intend to cover the run by stapling polythene over it, but obviously, in the hot weather, that isnt a good option, and we need some clean way of getting rid of the water when it rains.
would be grateful for any ideas.
Lynnette
 
Bark chippings carry spores that can give your birds respiratory problems. You can use wood chippings or gravel.
 
I have hard wood chips in my run and the hens enjoy scratching around in it. I clean mine by wearing a rubber glove and picking up any droppings twice a day and about once a month I sprinkle Stalosan on top and lightly rake it in. This keeps it fresh. You can buy it from www.flytesofancy.co.uk in small quantities (1 or two bags etc.) or from www.mjgiddings.co.uk but you have to buy a minimum quantity of 10 bags I think, but there is no carriage charge. This works out cheaper and I just store the extra bags to top up as necessary. It doesn't grow the spores as bark chippings so is safe for the hens.
 
I've had rubber chippings down in my run for nearly 3 years now. Initially, you cover the earth floor with permeable landscaping fabric, the kind used for weed control, in wide widths, and peg it down well round the edges. Then just pour on the rubber chippings, which are made of minced-up old car tyres, so good recycling. Instant transformation, no more mud, ever!! Once a week, or whenever you think it's necessary, you just hose down the chippings, dissolving the droppings, and water the run with a canful or two of suitable disinfectant, eg Barrier X or Poultry Shield. I use 100ml. to a 2-gallon watering can. The chips are always soft and warm to the chickens' feet, even on frosty days in winter, and their feet always stay dry and don't get muddy, because the membrane underneath prevents them from digging into the earth, although they can and do spend time scratching up the chippings to see what they can find. A handful of grain in the afternoons keeps them happy for a long time! The chips are nice and warm and comfortable and the birds often like to lie around on them for little naps.

My run is partly covered, partly open, so there's a dry end and a part that gets very wet in winter. Because the chips are non-absorbent, they never get soggy and drain and dry off quickly, so are always pleasant to walk on. You do need well-drained soil under the membrane, so the hosing water can drain away adequately, (probably not so successful on slabs, for instance) but given this, the chips do solve the mud problem, as the birds can't get at the earth but instead walk around all the time on about 4 inches of rubber chippings. They are more expensive initially than other surfaces such as woodchip etc, but if correctly maintained will last for ever and never need digging out, disposing of and replacing, saving both money and effort in the long run. I like the way I can always keep the run fresh and sweet-smelling, not have to wait until it's really nasty before undertaking the horrible job of digging out filthy muddy flooring.

Downsides? Not quite so easy to poo pick as a soft disposable surface, because the droppings tend to stick to the chippings, which you don't want on the compost heap. I wear rubber gloves and pick up the intact ones carefully, and the soft runny poos I put in a bucket, with the chippings which come up with the poo, and when I've got half a bucket full I just hose it down, sieve out the chips, pour the fertiliser water on the garden or compost heap, and replace the cleaned chips in the run.. When installing the membrane below the chips, you need to be very careful to allow a good big turning under the cut ends, or preferably even measure, cut, and hem the edges on a sewing machine before putting it down, to avoid the birds pecking loose the frayed ends from the edges of the membrane. Apart from that, I think they're excellent and I wouldn't change now I've got them

(EDIT; 2018; On re-reading this thread, I want to say that eventually I got really fed up with removing and washing the pooey rubber chippings. they got into a state because over time the residue in the droppings became a solid layer underneath the chippings making it impossible to hose them properly. I bagged therm all up, took them to the dump, cleaned up the membrane underneath and substituted Aubiose, which I've used ever since. not only is it really easy to poo pick but it makes excellent compost, is very absorbent, and also the pale colour makes the run much lighter.,
 
lynne said:
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Our chicken run is full height, around 9' x 12'. (we have just three girls since one died a couple of weeks back). It is just earth, which they love to dig around in. In fact, they love digging so much, they have continually undermined the slabs we walk on, which we are constantly re-setting. In the recent heavy rain, for several days, they were walking around in a total mud bath! It made cleaning out, egg collecting and general feeding, very difficult, if not dangerous, so we have come to the conclusion we have to do something about it. We were thinking of levelling, tamping down, then laying chicken wire down, pegged firmly in place. Over this, we want to give them something to scratch around in, that will be fairly easy to clean, and harmless to the birds. What would you folks suggest? We were thinking either bark chippings, or gravel?
In the winter, we intend to cover the run by stapling polythene over it, but obviously, in the hot weather, that isnt a good option, and we need some clean way of getting rid of the water when it rains.
would be grateful for any ideas.
Lynnette
Isn't rain a pain? You really need a large tray of soil on top of whatever you decide to use, because they must have soil to bathe in. If it was me I would leave the soil base and get a polythene cover which you could keep over the top when rain is likely.
 
I have a very large plastic tray with deep sides that I purchased for about £14 from the garden centre for my hens dust bath. It's under cover and I just top it up occasionally. I can also put Diatom powder on top and they love a daily bath.
 
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This is Star, emerging from her dustbath, which as you can see is an old plastic waterbutt, cut down to size, with sand and dry compost in it, liberally laced with redmite powder and Diatom. Couldn't get pic of her rolling about in it as when I appear she rushes out in the hope of food. Nice and deep, no spillage. I fixed the perch so they could fly up before descending into the dustbath. At first I had to teach them to fly down into it, but a few sunflower seeds scattered inside soon did the job!

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And here are Marigold (the Buff Sussex) and and Nutmeg (the Cream Legbar) in my run, which is about 15ft by 10ft, with rubber chippings on the floor, and the roofed end (10 ft by 5ft) sheltered with white plastic tarpaulin round the sides. This gives shade in summer and protection from wind, rain and snow in winter. I put the feeders and dustbath under the roofed end so they always stay dry. I found that, even when the end was roofed with onduline, a lot of rain blew in through the sides so the dry area was very small. The tarp. gives really good protection, makes a good-sized space under cover and out of the wind, and makes the run much more pleasant when the weather is bad.
For the first winter, I had a tarp over the roof, which is made from strong weldmesh, but the trouble was that when it rained, large puddles formed and made the mesh sink and deform in large depressions, from the weight of the water. So I wouldn't advise this as a roofing method, but if you do use it temporarily, get plastic tarp rather than polythene, as it's much stronger and has riveted holes round the edges to tie it down with. They're quite cheap, just Gogle 'plastic tarpaulins' and find a site that does one in the size you need.

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This is Amber and Star, scratching around in the rubber chippings, so you can see what they're like. Today the hens were rolling around and digging in them where they were dry and warm from the sunshine.

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And lastly, Narigold and Nutmeg again, yesterday - they are 18 weeks old now and this was their first day in the run with the 'big girls' so they are glad to be able to get up out of reach on my old scaffolding frame for a bit of a rest after all that chasing around! As you would expect, Nutmeg, the Legbar, is an excellent flyer so chooses the higher perch.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies and excellent ideas. I hadnt thought of the dustbath necessity! Particular thanks to Marigold for the photos - it was so lovely to see how your ideas work. We will go for the rubber chippings I think, if I can find a supplier, and also the plastic tarpaulins are a great idea - we had thought about putting a piece of drainpipe or similar in the centre of the roof to raise it, so that it didnt puddle but had a slope each side to drain off. I loved seeing your birds on perches - ours just arent interested in them at all!
Lynnette
 
I got my chippings from http://www.chickenkeeper.co.uk/mud-management/ in Hampshire. Easy to order, you just put in the dimensions of the run and the website works out what size underlay you need and how many bags of chippings. However, I have heard of good deals from B&Q etc on chippings so worth searching around. The ones from Hook Farm are suitable for chickens, ie made of tyres which have no metal bits in when shredded and quite large pieces which are not edible, so maybe take care over quality if buying cheaper deals.

I really would advise trying to roof at least part of your run with corrugated Onduline or similar, if you possibly can. The tarp worked to keep the birds dry over our roof the first winter, but it was a pain to try to push up the puddles from below to empty them when they became ponds, although I'd put lots of spare pieces of wood underneath to try to support the tarp. Also, it was damaging the mesh on the roof, as water is incredibly heavy stuff. We got ours from Wickes (own-brand) see http://www.wickes.co.uk/bitumen-corrugated-sheet/invt/240059/ and it came in a really nice green colour, better than in this website pic. (Would post a pic of ours but it's pouring today!) They do an online 'how to do it' section on their website, but basically all you need are strong enough cross-members over the roof, raised double along the highest edge to ensure drainage, and then use the special screws and washers they sell in packs to fix the roof down. We found some large pieces of wood in a skip for thick enough cross-members on the high end, which saved quite a bit on the cost of wood, so maybe contact builders yards or your local dump for surplus materials. etc . If required you can cut the roofing stuff with a handsaw, but it's quite hard work and gums up the saw. Best to use more than the minimum overlap on the width if you've got too much, and just plan your roof to be the length of the nearest size to what you want. The instructions give you options for installing insulation, bunging up the ends of the wavy roof etc, which may be good for some applications but are not necessary for chicken runs. If you order online, Wickes have a delivery service for large items, if like me you haven't got access to a large vehicle. If you join their loyalty scheme you get points towards future purchases. However,I did with difficulty manage to get 3 sheets into a Ford Focus, with the back end open, thus avoiding the £25 delivery charge. Again. worth looking round the DIY sites to see if any have roofing stuff on offer.

P.S. It's stopped raining so here's a pic of the roof. The bamboo screening was put up the year I had tarp on top, to act as a windbreak, but it weasn't as good as the tarp on the sides. However it does help camouflage the run in the view from our window.
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lynne said:
Thanks everyone for your replies and excellent ideas. I hadnt thought of the dustbath necessity! Particular thanks to Marigold for the photos - it was so lovely to see how your ideas work. We will go for the rubber chippings I think, if I can find a supplier, and also the plastic tarpaulins are a great idea - we had thought about putting a piece of drainpipe or similar in the centre of the roof to raise it, so that it didnt puddle but had a slope each side to drain off. I loved seeing your birds on perches - ours just arent interested in them at all!
Lynnette
Hi Lynne. That's odd. All chickens should perch. Perhaps the perches ar uncomfortable? Smooth round rotating perches are an obvious no no, but also, and we are all guilty of this, and I do hold my hand up- if you are using sawn wood perches the two top edges at least, should be chamfred. A good strong sandpaper will do if you haven't a plane. Otherwise the sharp edges can give them bumblefoot.
 
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