Rhode Rock

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Looking at some hybrids today I came across some Rhode Rocks.

They seemed very placid friendly birds, the seller said they could lay up to about 300 eggs a year and that a maximum of 3 birds should be ok in my 4 square metre run.

Has any one any information on Rhode rocks?
 
Sounds like a Rhode Island Red/ Plymouth Rock cross and sounds like they want a sale. 300 eggs is battery hen output and I doubt they will be happy kept in a run that small permanently as RIR's are very fiesty. Still I could be wrong?
 
You could get by with three in that space though it would be better if the house was outside so as not to take up any of the pen space. If they are all from the same batch and are living together, this should save any problems of bullying.
There are several brand names for Rhode Rocks which as chrismahon has said is a RIR male on a Barred Plymouth Rock female. They are generally good layers. Egg numbers can be misleading as it does depend on when they come into lay and factors such as length of daylight.
I've always found Rhodes to be very easy going and they are one of the parent breeds of about two thirds of all hybrids.
 
chrismahon said:
Sounds like a Rhode Island Red/ Plymouth Rock cross and sounds like they want a sale. 300 eggs is battery hen output and I doubt they will be happy kept in a run that small permanently as RIR's are very fiesty. Still I could be wrong?

Sorry my mistake! it was up to 300 eggs depending on hybrid. We were looking at a variety of birds including gold lines and I misquoted the seller. In fact she was not at all pushy and seemed honest, patiently answering all my questions knowing that I was only making inquiries. .

For 2-3 hybrid hens I didn't think my run/house was that small compared to some others.
It measures 9 foot x 5 foot with a 5 foot high covered roof. The sleeping area is elevated and high enough to allow the birds full use of the total area. Also, they will be able to roam the garden for a couple of hours a day.

I like to think of it as an aviary but perhaps I am kidding myself.
 
You could just about keep 3 large fowl in 4 sq. metres, though persoanlly i think they need at least 2 sq. metres of run space each, but unless you could cover the run to keep it dry underfoot, and were prepared to poo pick very frequently (twice a day?) things would get very messy very fast especially in winter. Rhode Rocks would be fine, but of course if you got 3 different types of hybrid they'd each lay a differently coloured egg so you'd know who had been a good girl each day1
 
Good idea Marigold, different coloured eggs will also establish some problems more quickly. If you plan to let them free range every day great. They are creatures of habbit and do get upset if their routine is broken, like leaving them in one day. If you add a perch across the run about 18 inches high even better. Ours like to perch when they are preening.
 
Thanks for the help.

I am actually thinking of keeping 3 different hybrid types,the Rhode rock was just one on the list for consideration, hence the original post.
At first there was no question of keeping anything other than bantams but having since discovered that all the hybrids are quite a bit smaller than pure large fowl, I began to look into the possibility of keeping 2 or 3 hybrid types instead.
I have been searching through this and another forum and opinions vary widely on the subject of space per hen and am wondering if in some cases, large fowl are being confused with smaller hybrids that were bred to lay high numbers of eggs in their first 2 years.
I think that most agree that free ranging is best regardless of the type of bird but for many people this isn't possible and am beginning to get the impression that some keepers believe that unless you have the room to free range you shouldn't keep hens.
It was battery cages that led me to buy only free range many years ago, (even before it became fashionable to do so) and have read that 1 square metre per bird with access to outdoors is the requirement for free ranging. On the other hand some posters are suggesting 4 square metres! Confused :? You bet I am.

This is a steep learning curve and a decision hasn't been made yet. I may buy a few bantams instead.
 
Hybrids do vary quite a bit in size. I had a lovely little Columbian Blacktail who laid bigger eggs than my Speckledy, who was a very large lady, more like a good-sized Sussex. I have a real Sussex at present, who is quite a lot bigger than my two hybrids, (Amber and Silver Stars) and also my Cream Legbar, but she doesn't really take up a different amount of space in the run than the smaller birds, and they all seem to do just as much poo as each other! I think temperament has a lot to do with it. When I let mine out 'to play' after they've laid their eggs that day, they all seem quite pleased to get back in the run after a couple of hours, especially if it's a bit windy in the garden.

i think the '4 sq. metres per bird' suggestion is what foraging space is required for commercial organic freerange chickens. Obviously if you had a henhouse in the middle of a field and wanted your birds to have constant free access to grass, you'd need quite a lot of space or they'd quickly eat all the grass and turn it to mud, especially in winter. In an enclosed run like yours and mine, they do need room to move around and have sufficient personal space, so with only a very small number of chickens it's a good idea to give them a reasonably large area per bird. 3 birds could be kept in 6 sq. metres, whereas perhaps you could accomodate 6 birds in 10 sq. metres because the total open-area circulating space would be greater and you'd have more room to plan for extra perches, dustbath etc. My run is 12 sq. metres for 4 hens, and if I wanted, I think I could include 2 more, but wouldn't be really happy to keep more than that in there. At present, if I need to, I can section off the run into two spaces, to quarantine/introduce new birds or to raise growers separately, as I did this Spring, but if things were crowded to start with this wouldn't have worked so well. It also comes down to how often, and how thoroughly, you are going to be prepared to poo pick after them, as with a greater concentration of birds in a small space, things get very dirty fast, because they tread and scratch in the droppings before you can get to them to pick them up. Whether your run is roofed is important as well - a dry run will keep cleaner than one exposed to heavy rain.

i do think 3 is a good number to start with, because a group of 3 somehow looks much nicer, and also, if and when one dies, you're not left with one lonely chicken. However, at this point, you then need to have room for 2 new ones, not another single one, as it's much harder to introduce a single newbie than a pair. So again, starting with plenty of space in relation to your total flock is a good idea. We all know how chickenitis takes us over! Anyway, good luck, i'm sure they'll be fine.
 
My 1918 book 'Poultry for the many' says that in a gravel 'scratching' run each bird needs 15 square feet, about 1.5 square metres. On a grass run they need 10x as much -15 square metres. Free ranging nowadays is defined as 10 square metres per bird minimum with access always available in daylight hours. The 1918 book also says in a coop each bird needs 10 cubic feet so a 6 x 4 x 4 coop could house 10 birds, which co-incidentally is exactly how many we had in one of ours of that size when we felt it was full to capacity (nest boxes extra). Basically each perch had 5 birds on it with room to fly up and down. I am of the opinion that if you provide less space than free range you are compromising their welfare and are just a few degrees improvement on battery hens; it may be considered by some better for hen welfare if you bought your eggs off the free range shelf in the supermarket. Of course these free ranging areas are based on commercial hybrids and some docile Pedigree breeds in reality need less space. It's down to the keeper to do what they feel best for their birds.
 
Firstly, thanks marigold for taking the trouble to put together such a commonsense reply. It has cleared up a lot and if I do eventually buy 2 or 3 hybrids I will build an add on area to increase the amount of space available.


chrismahon said:
My 1918 book 'Poultry for the many' says that in a gravel 'scratching' run each bird needs 15 square feet, about 1.5 square metres. On a grass run they need 10x as much -15 square metres. Free ranging nowadays is defined as 10 square metres per bird minimum with access always available in daylight hours. The 1918 book also says in a coop each bird needs 10 cubic feet so a 6 x 4 x 4 coop could house 10 birds, which co-incidentally is exactly how many we had in one of ours of that size when we felt it was full to capacity (nest boxes extra). Basically each perch had 5 birds on it with room to fly up and down. I am of the opinion that if you provide less space than free range you are compromising their welfare and are just a few degrees improvement on battery hens; it may be considered by some better for hen welfare if you bought your eggs off the free range shelf in the supermarket. Of course these free ranging areas are based on commercial hybrids and some docile Pedigree breeds in reality need less space. It's down to the keeper to do what they feel best for their birds.

Well chrismahon,what can I say? I admire you for giving 10 square metres for each bird you keep,few of us have that much ground available.( I am assuming from your post that it is 10 sq m)

From your reply you would seem to believe that people shouldn't keep hens unless they can provide the same. You may be right but it would be interesting to know how many on this forum alone provide their chickens with that much space.

As you have brought up the subject of animal welfare I hope you don't mind a few thoughts of mine on the subject.

For the well being of all creatures it would seem better to leave them in their natural habitat and not interfere with them in any way. In the case of chickens I believe that would mean allowing them to roam freely through forest and woodland. Drawn to a conclusion this means that by keeping them in any type of other environment we are interfering with their welfare,even the act of fencing them in is an interference but if we wish to collect their eggs, breed them for meat, show them, keep them as pets or breed and sell them for profit this does appear to be impractical. Besides this by providing food, clean accommodation, protecting them from predators and tending to their health needs some may argue that we are taking away their need to be constantly wandering to forage or flee from predators.

I had intended to keep chickens mainly on a deep litter bed in dry conditions. They would be cleaned as often as required. have places to roost room to flutter and their health would be a priority. They would have an hour or so a day to roam the garden and be locked up safely at night. My only expectation was to have enough eggs to eat. Considering the investment in time and money they would be very expensive eggs but this would be offset by having the pleasure of their company and the knowledge that I was doing my best for them.
I wonder if others who give less space than free range (10 sq m per bird) to their hens agree that it is only a few degrees better than battery hens.
Not sure I understand this bit "it may be considered by some better for hen welfare if you bought your eggs off the free range shelf" Isn't buying free range by any definition better than buying eggs laid by caged birds

Oh well, all this and I only wanted some information on Rhode rocks. :)
 
Hi, i knew nothing of rhode rocks, but checked on internet, found only this
RHODE ROCK
Bred for over 40 years.
Capable of laying 300 high quality eggs by 80 weeks.
This robust yet docile brown egg layer is highly productive in any
management system.
 
Hi David, I think coupled with the excellent advice from Marigold you should be fine with 4 sq m and 3 smallish hybrids. The key would be good husbandry, by which I mean paying particular care to the base of the run. Covering a run in part or totally will help a great deal in keeping the area dry, and replacing the run base frequently will keep the ground sweet, if they are able to free range then all the better, keep to a routine though, so if you let them out at a certain time stick to it. Chickens do like a routine and this will make managing their well being much easier then everytime they see you in the garden they expect to be et out!
A word on breeds and temperments that might be helpful..some breeds tend to be more "flighty" these are in general terms referrred to as "light breeds" and by their nature are less tolerant of confinement. "Heavy soft feather" breeds are far more docile and less flighty. So there is a difference in behaviours that might be worth considering if you go down the bantam route.

I hope you have your birds soon, and look forward to hearing all about them! :D
 
There are plenty of people keeping hens in the space you quote. Most will be giving them time to wander as you intend to do. What comes over to me from your writings is that you have sensible and flexible attitude.
All the theory in the world cannot substitute for practical stockmanship. Just make sure your purchases have all lived together before they go home with you so they are compatible.
 
I entirely agree with Chuck (as usual) and i think that anyone like David, with such a informed and sensible attitude to husbandry, will have no problems and will find much pleasure in keeping their birds. I too think that it's unrealistic (and also unnecessary) to suggest that hens need vast amounts of space, indeed if they had 10 sq. metres each they probably wouldn't use all of it and would tend just to hang out together in the most sheltered bit. What the keeper does with the space available is just as important as how large it is - a huge, barren area would be chicken hell, whereas a smaller, clean run with provision for shade and shelter, somewhere to perch and dustbathe, and room to circulate, will keep the chickens very happy and healthy. But I am concerned at the flood of coops on the market with very small attached runs, purporting to accommodate the number of birds that would just about fit into the house for roosting, but with totally inadequate run space for their needs during the day. Many people seem to quote the manufacturer's advertised 'number of birds the run is designed for' as gospel, without thinking of the difference between roosting space and run space. Also, we all know how chickenitis can take over, how tempting it is to add new birds, not always to their benefit in welfare terms.
 
Just one more point. With the best of intentions in the summer, it's easy to forget that in practice the long dark nights will set in soon and for people out at work, there will be little opportunity for free ranging except at weekends.
 
Having read the replies since my last post I am overwhelmed by your support. Thank you for your kind comments and good advice.

As a result I have decided to keep three different hybrids namely a light Sussex, a Rhode rock and a Goldline.

The hens come from a mixed hybrid flock that are kept in excellent conditions. Hopefully this will help them settle down together.
They will be able to come out to play throughout the year as I am at home during the day and am planning a regular daily routine of cleaning, feeding and exercise for them.

I will let you know how things go and thanks again for the help, it has been well received. :D
 
Hi all

After 3 weeks of chicken keeping I am pleased to report that all is well with my three hybrids named blackie,whitey and brownie.See if you can work out who is who

They seem happy contented and very friendly girls who have rewarded me these last few days by coming into lay. The run and house has proved easier to keep clean and fresh than first thought even if they do enjoy digging dust baths in the wood chip bed in the run. Another surprise has been their willingness to hang around the run or even stay in when the door is open for playtime, this has been such a relief after some of the concerns expressed regarding space and free range.

I am very happy with the girls they don't seem to mind being picked up while blackie in particular has become very cheeky pecking at my watch and wedding ring or, on occasion, taking my glasses off and dropping them on the run floor.

Thanks for all the help and support.

David
 
Congratulations on you lovely hens and fresh eggs already.I'm still waiting for mine to start laing but hope it will happend soon.You had great advise and this made you very prepared for whats comming and soo glad that everything works well for you and the girls :D
 
Good to hear your girls have arrived and have started producing. Enjoy them.
 
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