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johny

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Hi we live in south west France and have just aquired 4 sussex hens and a Rhode Island red cock about 8 weeks old, well that was the age the guy told us though they vary so much in size, we are feeding the same as the breeder fed at the moment which is a good chick general feed with crushed maize and wheat they do appear to be in good health active very nosey and not at all spooked by us but one of them at least has sloppy poo a light brown colour is this normal at this age or are we not feeding the right food while we arent new to keeping animals Goats dogs and rabbits chickens are a completly unknown the breeder told us to get them vaccinated by the vet for parasites is this necessary or can we use a wormer and any dusting powder as needed, we are now getting snowed under by friends bringing veg peelings and left overs well meaning they may be but is this good for them should it be boiled first,also temperature the guy who had the place before us kept chickens in a large tin shed while it may be waterproof and draught free it gets very hot in there during the summer is this the wrong place to keep them bearing in mind they only go in at night also the winters are cold temperatures vary throughout the year from minus 18 in the winter to high 30s in the summer any advice would be greatly appreciated as we want to keep our stock in the best of health
 
Hi Johny and a big welcome to the Forum. It's always a treat when we get another member from somewhere else than the UK, its interesting to find out how people keep their poultry in other climates and different conditions.
Quite a few of your questions might be answered on the Poultrykeeper website, (see link at the bottom of the page) which has lots of good articles on keeping chickens, including feeding, housing, worming, parasite control etc. We do have another member, Chris, who recently moved to southern France (with all his many chickens!) who will be able to discuss local conditions with you, such as the temperature difference winter and summer and how to deal with it.
However, one or two brief pointers in answer to some of your questions. At 8 weeks old in the UK it would be usual to feed them growers pellets, which are formulated for the needs of a growing bird and don't contain so much calcium as layers pellets, which they move on to when they are ready to lay at around 20+ weeks. If growers pellets aren't available where you are then I expect what you are feeding will be fine, though be aware that maize is very fattening and heating, good for the winter but may possibly cause them to put on weight too fast if there is much of it in their diet. They shouldn't have loose motions at all, this will need watching as it may possibly indicate a gut infection, although if they are having too much fruit peelings and other human food this may well be the cause. It's best not to give any human food leftovers - this is actually illegal in the UK, in the wake of the BSE and other disease outbreaks, and for the birds themselves it can be harmful as it unbalances their diets at a stage where proper suitable nutrition will have a lifelong effect as they are growing. Hens are like us, they will pig out on what to them is junk food, i.e. human leftovers high in salt, sugar and fat, and them will leave their proper food because they have filled up on what is not good for them. So maybe you can politely get your friends to eat their own leftovers! If they can free range they will get greens and bugs to supplement their diet, but if kept in a run they will like some greenstuff such as cabbage etc, in quantities which won't upset their bowels.
Chicks are usually vaccinated in stages when they are younger than yours, and this tends to be done more where they are being raised in large batches commercially, rather than by a small breeder. If yours haven't been done, don't worry about it, your vet won't do it and if he did it would be very expensive as the vaccines won't keep once opened and come in batches of sometimes hundreds of doses for large flocks. So long as they are healthy and don't come into contact with other unhealthy birds they should be OK. The vaccinations are mainly for chicken diseases such as Mareks or Infectious Bronchitis or Mycoplasma (you can scare yourself by looking these up if you like) There are no vaccinations against parasites, you just have to keep checking your birds and their housing for signs of redmite, Northern Fowl Mite, fly strike etc. just get informed about what all these will look like if you get them (as you probably will!) and find out how to deal with or prevent them as far as possible. It will be good t worm them with Flubenvet when they are about 18-20 weeks old but they won't need this until then. This is the only effective wormer licensed for poultry off prescription in the UK - again, look on Poultrykeeper for more details about worms and worming. You will ned to treat them with Flubenvet every 4-6 months. Be aware that herbal preparations do not kill worms, they are more of a tonic but not to be relied on to do the job.
And keep on asking questions on here - good luck with your new birds, looking forward to hearing more from you when you have time!
 
Hi Johny and welcome to the forum. We bought some grower feed over here with the protein supplied by fish extract I assume -stank horrible and they all did brown runny poos. Can't remember the name, but we only use Sanders now. At that age they should be on Poulet Poulette which is a grower/ rearer ration. Pale brown runny poos are indicative of an excited bird and are OK in moderation but too many could be worms -but not at 8 weeks.

Veg can be raw except potatoes. Boil or just compost preferably. Veg must not be rotten in any way -if in any doubt just compost it (or there may be trouble ahead).

Tin shed may be OK for the local Cou-Nou's but not for Sussex or RIR's. They need a well ventilated (and secure) coop with at least a 20 square metre run in the shade of the trees. Our greenhouse hit 55 degrees yesterday with the door open -so a tin shed will be the same. Anything above 40 will kill the chickens, even if they just visit for an hour to lay. Just remember the Chasse season is in October so if all the livestock is not kept very very secure the dogs will be in and that will be it. Heat is retained in the coop so they may not go in at night. If it is too hot pests will multiply alarmingly.

Most pests are dealt with by a spray of Frontline at a maximum dose of 1.5mL per Kg bodyweight. That's one squirt in the big bottle. Before that start controlling pests by providing a soil bath with 10% potash (wood fire ash sieved fine) added. Check them all over for lice and Northern Fowl Mite, which is bad this year.

Whereabouts are you Johny? South West is a large area. We are in Dordogneshire at the moment but we are moving to Gascony shortly (as shortly as possible) and I will be there next week.

For rabbits and goats try http://www.accidentalsmallholder.com. There are many members from all over France in there.
 
Thanks for your advice, we are down in the Tarn in the Montagne Noire almost on the border with the Aude, when you sat Frontline is that the same as the dog
 
Yes it is Johny. You must use the spray as the spot-on version is far too strong. At 1.5mL per Kg bodyweight the chickens will be quiet for a day or so as it affects them and that is a tiny dose for a dog and half the dose for cats. I think 1.0mL per Kg bodyweight should be perfectly adequate for any mild infestation.

I was looking for property in the Realmont area, just North of you. My friends live Northeast from there in Fenols.
 
Both under an hour from us none of the Brits here keep animals they all think i'm mad most dont even garden but are first in the queue when the veg is been given out
 
The vast majority of Brits here in Dordognshire just want cheap booze in the sun Johny. Limosin is different -they are there to farm and very welcome by the depleted locals, but it's a really hard life up there. Gascony is different again -still no Brit farmers but a lot of insular escapists and racial French. Seen it all Johny. Good luck to you. Maybe we'll met on my next trip to Albi ( an hour away is a huge distance in England, nowt here)?
 
Hi Chris/Marigold
We have a friend over near to Courrensan in the Gers which i believe is part of Gascony he is an American beef farmer doing very well in a small way selling good quality grass fed beef to the locals be it Brits ,French and a few Americans lovely rolling country out there where here in the Tarn its more mountainous at least where we are 2000ft above sea level, winters can be hard but summer brings out all the wildlife, going back on my dads side they were farmers Staffordshire Derbyshire and Lancashire and Canada but as they got older no one wanted farming they were all sold most now are housing estates i also have a cousin in the Limousan but he is an electrician, chooks are still doing well dogs are nolonger curious and leave them alone, the cocks a bit fiesty and noisy when i pick him up but the hens are quiet and handle well they half half the garden to play in think they would be lost in the acre field and i would risk loosing them but are in the out building at night in a large pen until i can build a coop cant find any to buy here so will build my own spent an hour or so looking for plans on the net but no luck i have an idea but dont want to make to many mistakes so a few hours planning saves a lot of wasted time, must be the engineer in me, any tips please already got ventilation, ease of cleaning wind and rain proof plus off the ground have i missed anything
 
Lots of co-incidences there Johny. I'm an Engineer from Derbyshire who moved to Staffordshire before leaving. We are very interested in a property just 10 Km from your friend -I'm viewing it again on Tuesday with a view to costing for renovation and making an offer.

There has been a lot of discussion in the past about coop building on here. There are tons of factors and even my latest set isn't perfect. Tried two perches but they won't cross one to get to the other, so that was a waste. An internal pop-hole is a 'must have' in my opinion. Very secure without bolts or locks and you have the option of fitting an external mesh door for extra ventilation in Summer -which we have now. A design student, Dan, visited our place and designed a 4 bird coop. Aside from materials, it is almost identical the the last three I built.
 
Hi Chris i am well into building the coop but what to weatherproof it with to stop the wood rotting lots of tins on the shelves but none say animal friendly or safe
 
I am not familiar with the products they sell here Johny. All my paint comes from England, bought on my very infrequent visits. Last one in my van next week, then it's just flights and car hire so I can't bring any stuff back. The exterior coop paint I use is water based for garden furniture. If it's safe to sit on and have skin contact with it should be fine for chickens.
 

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