New companions for hybrids

rick

Active member
Joined
Aug 31, 2014
Messages
1,905
Reaction score
6
Location
Warwickshire UK
I think I may be going down with a case of 'more hen' deasease :) Have room for 2 more max (making 5 total) and was wondering what old breeds might get along well with my brown hybrids.
Only mulling it over at the moment but it seems like a good time to introduce some youngsters so there's a mix of ages (that's my excuse anyway.)
A longer lived breed that doesn't lay as frequently and some variety of colour would be nice.
Any thoughts?
 
Yes, that's a very good idea, to revitalise your flock and get a new generation going. Unless you're prepared to knock them in the head when they becom less productive, or to keep them just as pets who lay an occasional egg, it's good not to end up with a flock of pensioners. As a pensioner myself, I do have sympathy for the oldies who have given so much, (though they do get a one-way trip to the vet if and when they finally succumb to something that isn't going to resolve itself naturally.)
My oldest two are Marigold and Nutmeg, hatched Feb. 2011, which I've had from chicks because Buff Sussex and Cream Legbar can be sexed from hatch, so no unexpected crowing! The BS, Marigold, is a large and lovely bird, a bit dim even for a hen, but very decorative. However, she does go broody 3-4 times each summer, so I have a kit prepared to fence her off for a few days in a corner of the run. This reduces her laying as it takes her 3-4 weeks from onset of broodiness to returning to lay, and also her eggs are very small in proportion to her size, definitely a heavy girl. The Cream Legbar, Nutmeg, is a super little bird, still regularly lays lovely blue eggs and never goes broody. Very pretty, quite small so doesn't eat so much as Marigold and takes up very little room in the coop. Definitely very intelligent for a hen, as was evident when the two of them were chicks together and she took charge of Marigold. Has been top hen for some years now. I would definitely recommend CLBs as one of your choices. My other favourite is the Columbian Blacktail, lovely small, neat little golden brown birds with a jaunty upstanding black flag of tail feathers. The ones I've had have been outstanding layers of amazingly big eggs for their size, and never went broody. Not sure if they count as hybrids but are long lived and trouble free, in my experience.
Any time between now and the end of the year is good for introducing new POLs as he older hens will become less territorial once the breeding season slows and stops, and also purebreds are more likely to be available in the Autumn having been hatched in the Spring, unlike hybrids which are often hatched en masse for commercial purposes all year round. It will depend on what's available within a reasonable distance, and it would be good to get both at the same time and from the same breeder, for quarantine reasons - introducing new hens always carries the risk of cross-infection, and they will bond better during the quarantine period if they arrive together. Can you knock up a spare bit of run and a temporary coop for them for a couple of weeks settling in and quarantining? Doesn't have to be posh as they wont get cold if kept dry, and won't need to perch.
Whereabouts are you? Maybe someone can recommend a good breeder fairly nearby.
 
Thanks for the suggestions, they all sound lovely and are on my wishlist!
I'd have to make a quarantine area in the coop, which might not be perfect, in terms of quarantine, but will be able to get used to each other a bit through the wire before the inevitable power struggle!
I'm in Leamington Spa, Warwks. I have an idea there might be a regular chicken market in Ryton but haven't checked it out yet. Any local leads would be great.
 
I wouldn't advise buying from a market, or an auction. Breeders get rid of their second- class stock there, and there's a big risk of infection from so many birds in possibly dirty cages. Plus the long and noisy day is incredibly stressful for the birds, which is not good and also increases the likelihood of them going down to infection because their immune systems have been lowered by the experience. You won't know what conditions they've been kept in, you wouldn't be able to examine the birds properly and could easily bring home a whole load of parasites, or even birds that were not the age or sex as advertised. If things go wrong there will be no comeback either.
Try to find a locally-recommended breeder, go along and see how the birds are raised, keep him talking whilst you watch the flock and see if they're all bright and healthy looking. Then get him to catch up one or two and examine them carefully for signs that they're clean of parasites and the right age. Ask what support he's prepared to offer if things go wrong. If you're not entirely happy, walk away. If you are happy, bring them home quietly and put them in their new pen with minimum disturbance, then leave them without disturbance to settle in.
And remember - raising chickens properly takes a lot of time, which costs money. A good purebred bird from a private breeder with high standards is going to be more expensive than a commercial hybrid, so expect to pay more for birds that you hope will live longer and remain healthy. A breeder who cuts corners on high quality feed and plenty of clean space for his chicks and growers is going to produce birds that haven't had the best chance of strong and healthy development, which will affect them for the rest of their lives.
 
Right.
BTW my spellchecker resulted in me looking on Google for 'columbian blackmail'! Not what I was expecting!
 
:D

Very good advice there, auctions and markets are terrible traps for the unwary.
 
I think a couple of things to bear in mind with your set up is how well do the breed tolerate confinement and how prone they are to bullying. For instance Faverolles and Barnevelders are lovely birds, lay during winter and tolerate confinement well but are prone to bullying from other birds as are Cochins and Brahmas, bantams will also fall into this category due to their size which is a shame as a large proportion of POL pure breeds for sale nowadays seem to be bantam varieties and in my experience sourcing large fowl pure breed at pol is quite difficult, but then of course that could be my location. Avoid any of the game breeds and with the exception of the leghorn and of the mediteranean breeds either as they need more space really. In terms of what to recommend everyone will have different ideas, I'm not personally a fan of Cream Legbars from what I have seen of them though I am sure Marigolds' hen is lovely. The Sussex is generally reliable, calm nice bird comes in White, Buff and Silver varieties and there should be plenty about, just make sure you don't get the hybrid version by mistake. I like Leghorns very much, but they are very independent birds, noisy, not docile,don't go broody and lay a good number of white eggs and are real characters who will stand up for themselves, come in a large variety of patterns and colours. Equally I like Welsummers for their toughness, virtually bombproof birds who tolerate confinement and are moderate layers of brown speckled eggs, do go broody. Another good breed especially in ornamental terms would be the Wyandotte, beautiful laced birds come in silver, gold and blue, also able to look after themselves, pretty good layers who also go broody. I would imagine when it comes down to it though it will be a case of what you can get your hands on. A note of caution about poultry markets, it is where a lot of people go to dump their rubbish, check any birds thoroughly for mites,lice, disease and general signs of ill health. Don't know how current these listings are but you could check them out
http://www.downthelane.net/chicken-breeders-uk/warwickshire.php
http://www.chickens.allotment-garden.org/poultry-suppliers/pol-hens-for-sale-Warwickshire.php
 
Thanks all, I'm taking notes!
I am a bit worried about the space I've got. 5 would use up all of my 10 Sq metres with 2 sm each. I know (I think) that's the EU min. Is that really too confined for those that will tolerate it?
I guess there would be no fair or successful way to introduce one new bird.
No problem with paying a good fair price to a concientios breeder. Will be on the lookout.
 
I would take something into your run to use as a visual partition and partition off a 1/3 of it, then take a look at your birds in the remaining 2/3 and see if you would be happy with that, regardless of guidelines it is subjective to a large degree, for instance I believe that the smaller the flock the greater the space per bird needed, think of 2 chickens in 4m2, basically unable to escape each other and contrast that with 20 birds in a 40m2 space, it has a very different dynamic to it even though the space per bird is the same. If you do have misgivings then my advice would be to wait until one of your birds dies and then bring in 2 newcomers. With regards to introducing 1 bird I have done this once and would avoid doing it again unless it was a case of being offered a bird that was going to be killed otherwise and it was the only way, they do of course eventually settle but it is quite a nasty process and they tend to be shunned by the existing birds, better for them to have a comrade in arms with them to take the pecking.
 
Interesting, see what you mean about small flocks and relative space. One thing that eases that in my coop is that I left a pop hole sized gap in the wall at the back (for sweeping out was the thought at the time.) but have now fenced in the sides and let them out through the hole. It makes for more private places to go.
I thought introducing one would be difficult. 5 has been the target as it seems like a sustainable min number but will weigh it up again and ask around to see what POLs are available.
 
Spot on from Dinosaw, as always, about relative space. My six live in a 12 sq. metre run, and have plenty of space, in fact I think I could add another couple and they wouldn't get stressed or overcrowded because there's lots of room for them to go off on their own if they want to do different things in various parts of the run. (Actually they often just pile in a heap all together for a group snooze and choose to fit in to about 1sq. metre!) So I'm sure that if you can offer 10 sq. metres it will be fine - maybe get fairly small breeds though, to save on roosting space, but definitely get two.
Two nestboxes seems to be fine for six as well, though the leghorn often flies up to the top of the opened bag of Aubiose and deposits her egg in this luxurious private bedroom.
 
Have located 2 Welsummer pullets (8 weeks) In Nuneaton and 4 Colombian Blacktails (probably Pol) In Stratford. The CBs are hybrids and half the price of the Welsummers. Partitioned the coop and I feel a mission is inevitable tomorrow - but in which direction?! (not expecting an answer btw, either may be sold already)
 
How exciting for you, Rick, hope all goes well with your new girls.
I was given a new Cream Legbar yesterday, a dear little girl, so she is in with a Pekin who was in a tiny run by herself as she was attacked very badly,
but is recovering well.
I just love getting new chickens!!
My Croad Langshans now are getting really huge girls, so bright, gentle and tame, and of course stunningly beautiful. I hatched another three - 10 weeks but as yet unsexed. They tend to keep their sex to themselves very well, possibly a crow will be the next sign of maturity!
The Croad's companions, in a divided run are a HUGE Rhode Island Red, who I think may be a hermaphrodite, and a bantam Light Sussex, a lovely girl, very tame, very sweet natured and of course tiny and perfect.
If I could post a picture of the RIR for someone who knows to tell me one way or another I would, but if anyone can help me with this I can email them a photo of the bird in question.
There are reasons why I cannot tell if "Big Ruby" is a roo or a pullet, about 20 weeks, no crow, or interest in the other girls, but simply HUGE and loads of hackle feathers all over, no much growth on comb, but long wattles.
Any comments, anyone, please would be welcome.
Sorry Rick, did not mean to hijack your blog!
 
rick said:
Have located 2 Welsummer pullets (8 weeks) In Nuneaton and 4 Colombian Blacktails (probably Pol) In Stratford. The CBs are hybrids and half the price of the Welsummers. Partitioned the coop and I feel a mission is inevitable tomorrow - but in which direction?! (not expecting an answer btw, either may be sold already)

If you want eggs, go for the Blacktails. I've never kept Welsummers, and from what I've heard about them, am not likely to. Anyway, have fun!
 
That's quite a varied collection you have there and it makes me wonder if I could have 1 of each except it would feel mean to leave 1 welsummer sister behind. No, if they haven't gone and are bright and clean I'll have them both.
Your bantam and Big Ruby sound like a team. Hope the self expression stops short of crowing. Has she laid an egg yet?
 
No egg yet, but "she" has lost the last of "her" long curling tail feathers this morning, which makes "her" look a bit more feminine, but is still a gender issue and will be until she either crows or lays an egg, which must be soon as her comb and wattles have been fully red for weeks now.
I think she is a genuine "don't know" which is apparently not unknown in the hen world.
 
Rick, bit late to say this as I am sure you have already left, but that is about 12 weeks you will have to keep them separate for, just so you know.

Valerie, I have PM'd you about posting your RIR photo.
 
Well after that have ended up with a buff legbar and a columbian blacktail who were in the same pen. Just settling in, if they can, my lot must be giving them the impression they have gone to the madhouse for all the squawking and honking like seagulls!
The pullets are just short of pol - would it still be 12 weeks dinosaw?
(Cream legbar of course. The blacktail seems the most upset by the move. Teabag is losing her voice now!)
 
Nope, the youngsters would have needed to come up about 20 weeks to hold their own, if these two are just shy of POL then the usual 2 weeks should do it.
 
Back
Top