Flubenvet (worming)

Lucylou

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Does anyone know if you can buy Flubenvet (don't think I've spelt that right!) in small doses? I only have 3 chooks at the mo & the small size will only have a few doses used before it will be past its use by date, the rest will be wasted.

Anyone have a solution to this problem or does anyone know of any other product that can be bought in small quantities?

Thanks Everyone!
 
Hi Lucylou. Firstly I'd forget any other product as they don't work particularly well by all accounts. I've used Vermex -seems to work a bit but they are soon back and it doesn't treat gapeworm. Our vet looked into wormers and said the only one that did treat gapeworm that we could get in small quantities was Flubenvet.
It comes in a 60g tub which treats 20Kg of feed. I think we bought ours at least 18 months ago and it says the expiry date is October 2012. Assuming the retailing box, which was half full, has been sitting there for 6 months the shelf life is two years. There is no 'once opened use by' date on the packaging. So if you have 3 hens who will consume up to 3 Kg during treatment you have enough for 6 treatments. The minimum worming you should do is 2 per year, some do 3. So I recon you won't be wasting much, if any.
 
I have just sent for a tub of the mix it yourself Flubenvet. Previously I used the Marriages with Flubenvet included, but I have just throw half a bag away because it was out of date. It's cheaper to buy the tub, but I don't know how easy it is going to be to mix and get them to eat it.
 
Mix the measure with a teaspoon of Olive Oil Sue, to get a thin paste. I was ill the first time I used it because I breathed in the dust while mixing. It is a real pain to mix dry and doesn't bond well to the pellets, so I doubt they get a consistant dose. Mixed it with the oil and otherwise to the process required and it was so much easier.
 
Like you I would like Flubenvet but only have 3 chooks and with the cost of the prescription it is fairly expensive - anyone any ideas?
 
You don't need a prescription Mad Maggie, you can just buy it from the internet. I think I've paid about £14 and postage was free.
 
Yep, its off prescription. I too buy mine off the internet. From petmeds I think, and was here pretty swiftly, along with the dogwormers!
 
Why not try to get several people together in a syndicate and split it. It could be sent by post if well packaged.
 
I mix mine in my Kenwood Chef, in two kilo lots. I add just enough olive oil to make the pellets shine, mix that really well, then add the Flubenvet while the beater's still turning. It mixes in really well! (I tried using cold liver oil to mix once - it smelled 'orrible!)
 
I've spent ages trying to find the best way to buy it, mix it and so on and had several communications with Jansen (Now Elanco) about the product as when the site first started, there was almost no information on the internet about it and the rules / regulations were changing and it was unclear where you could buy the 240g tubs and so on.

Anyway, cut a long story short, there is indeed a 60g tub that can mix enough for small numbers of hens (up to about 20 medium sized hens).

There are several places selling it online. I have a few favourites - and - we have an affiliate scheme with these so get 5% of your spend back and goes towards our running costs. That said, I'm more than happy for other recommendations to be made, the price does fluctuate and there may be other favourite places people have.

1. Medic Animal
2. Amazon. It's usually Pet Meds selling on there and the price is normally very competitive:
3. Petmeds

I also received this email last night from Pet Meds that said:

Dear Tim,
I’m pleased to announce that Petmeds are offering free UK standard delivery for this weekend, starting today and ending midnight Sunday 29th January. Through this link

So this might give you a better deal with free shipping.

For mixing it with olive oil, I wrote some information for this site here: Keeping Chickens Site Flubenvet Page

There's also some information in our FAQ about worming with Flubenvet here: http://poultrykeeperforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=483

Good luck, I hope this helps :-)
 
Thanks for posting this , I need some bits and bobs, including dog wormers!
 
Oh my.... I've just clicked through to Petmeds and seen the price of Flubenvet! They have increased it by a huge amount!

It's £17.99 !!

However Medic Animal has free shipping at the moment too... and it's £14.80 there. Cheaper than Amazon too.

They do vary but not normally by such a large amount. I will be dropping Pet Meds from our recommendations if they don't sort this price out soon.
 
There is nothing cheap about that price Tim from Pet Meds, same as our local suppliers and we don't have to wait for delivery or be in specially to sign for it.
 
Yes, that's what I'm saying Chris. It used to be £14 or so and they've pushed the price up to £17.99.

Perhaps you mean Medic Animal? If you can get it locally, you're lucky. I haven't found it anywhere locally as they need to be 'Suitably Qualified' to sell it so the pet shops / country stores don't usually stock it.
 
CWG (central wool growers) chain sells it Tim. Stamford appears to be the closest to you! Some in Suffolk and Notts but their web site lists all.
 
That's 50-60 Miles from me unfortunately Chris but useful to know they stock it, especially if someone is in a hurry to get it or isn't in to take delivery of parcels.
 
Seem to be several flubenvet threads presently....I put this reply on the other one so will add it here too.

I buy mine from http://www.wormers.co.uk.

You are required to fill in details about types of animals you have and numbers. I have used them for several years now for this and for Drontal Plus as well as Plaque Off for my dogs.

Discovered them when I was up competing at Crufts where they had their stall, and have recommended them to lots of people since. Very efficient service. Currently just over £14.( I ordered some more a month back) Plus very small charge for postage.


I would add Lucylou that it is perfectly possible to feed Flubenvet using treats. It has worked with mine very well for several years and my chicken specialist vet is very happy to support that method. Currently seeing how my lot respond to cold porridge (made with milk) as a possible medium for the powder but you need whatever your chickens would kill for to get - so they eat it very quickly and are keen to get their share rather than look to see what another chook is eating - just in case it is better, if you see what I mean.

I haven't used porridge yet but I have fed it to them to guage their interest for next worming in the spring and it is looking very promising. They stand on my feet if they think I have some.... For instance it involves: letting porridge go cold (makes it easier to throw), mixing the allocation of Flubenvet for three hens into it very evenly and thoroughly and making it into smaller than marble sized balls - I allow two or three per chicken Ie for three chickens that would be 6- 9 small balls. ....It is very easy to throw then in different directions to keep each bird busy with their treat until they have their next one. You do need a quick eye and accurate throwing skills ;) but with only three it shouldn't be difficult. Have one or two other ideas for tasty treats up my sleeve based on discussion with my vet. I used grapes or tomatoes for a long time but my year old youngsters aren't crazy about them like my older ones. As I say you'd have to play around with possibilities for your own hens should you go this route.

I will also say that you do need to measure (I have very sensitive scales) the amount per three chickens each day for 7 days, based on the pot being for 20 medium chickens etc. I have digital scales so I put the scoop on and then switched the scales on and so it started at zero grammes with the scoop there ready and then I added flubenvet to the required amount. Now I know what that looks like in the scoop that helps! And of course you need to have a good idea about how much each weighs because that affects how much take up they need - ie a heavier bird will need more than a bantam say - in terms of amount per kilogram of bodyweight. Lucky for me mine are all very close to or on 2kg and are also medium sized hens so they are all within the tolerance for the amount of Flubenvet I allow for them. In other words I can allow the same amount per bird and use the recommended measurements of the product. You might have to think about this depending on the birds you have.

Based on 60g pot doing 20 medium hens for 7 days the amounts are as follows - 60g=20birds over 7 days so a medium sized bird must have 3g altogether over the 7 day period. 3g divided by 7days = 0.43g. This is the allowance per bird per day. So for three birds daily allocation multiply 0.43 x 3 = 1.29g. For my 8 it is 3.44g. There is some tolerance with Flubenvet - so a little fraction more is not the end of the world. Chucking in an extra half a teaspoon though would not be good. :shock:

The method you choose will I guess depend on how much access your chickens get to free foraging - mine are out all day from dawn to dusk so the treat method works well for me, while the putting it in their food would not as I cannot control how much of their own food they would find each day.

I worked all this out a while back, it seemed like common sense to me and, as I say, I have confirmed with my vet that this method is fine.
 
I'm sorry to disagree - but this is going against the dosage recommendations of the manufacturer and I don't feel it is right that you recommend this. :o

Flubenvet mixed in feed and fed for 7 days is quite straight forward so I feel it isn't right to be recommending something outside of the manufacturers guidelines.

I mean no offence but really feel this advice should not be followed instead of the manufacturers instructions that have been extensively tested for the safety of your birds and yourself if you're eating the eggs your girls produce. :?
 
Read your post PBC and Tim's comment. Tim is correct, but with free ranging hens there is no other option than the one you have developed as I presume you are not able to contain them for 7 days. Yours is the method we will have to adopt in France as their diet will rely on forraging rather than pellets, which are not available (yet-watch this space).
 
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