Diatom powder as wormer

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Does anyone use the Diatom powder as a wormer? It is supposed to deal with internal as well as external parasites. I use it in the bedding, nest boxes and dust bath and dust the birds occasionally, but haven't put it in their feed. I have just purchased the white powder rather than the grey, as this is supposed to be purer with less clay additives and states that it is for internal and external use. Any discussion on the topic would be interesting.
 
There are several products which are supposed to be a 'natural' cure for worms, and they are probably useful in maintaining a good level of intestinal health and thus improving resistance to worms. However, none of them are the most effective treatment for chicken worms. Give your birds Flubenvet, a 7-day course every 6 months.
 
Not something I would rely on for external use and I certainly wouldn't give it internally..
 
What are your reasons for saying that Chuck, have you had bad experiences of using it?
 
Hi Sue,

Strange you should post this, as I was going to ask the exact question myself!

I've only had my 3 bantams a couple of months and I have put diatom in their feed, with a bit of vegetable oil to help it stick. I have no problems at all about using it internally. From what I have read I'd be perfectly happy to take it myself!

The reason I wanted to ask about it was the same as you - to have personal experiences from people who have used it to say whether or not they found it effective as a wormer. I haven't used Flubenvet and wondered if I needed to.

Jane.
 
i have been using diatiom earth with my flock of 17 hens and its the best stuff around for keeping red mite away and for putting in dust baths for hens to de louse themselves. i have never even so much as seen a red mite since i have been dusting the house with diatom in around 3 years but before i started using it they were a major yearly problem. never tried it as wormer though i use flubenvet.
 
You may be interested in the official manufacturers brochure for Flubenvet at
http://www.crowshall.co.uk/forms/flubenvet-brochure.pdf . It will tell you all you want to know about the worm cycle in chickens (and quite a lot you don't want!)
Not only is it a good idea to keep up the Flubenvet twice a year, to prevent or treat infestation, but if you understand the worm cycle you can also do several things by way of bedding and pasture management to help reduce the probability of reinfestation.
 
My question wasn't really about worming, but more about the use of Diatom as an external and internal parasite treatment.
 
I use barrier health care mite powder for external parasites, I prefer it to diatom powder, and I use proper, purpose made liquid wormer. Obviously, it is your choice as to what you use, and if you trust diatom powder, I dont see any problem with using it.
 
I'd like to know if anyone uses diatom, without using any other wormer, and has found this to be satisfactory.
 
I'm just not sure why anyone would consider trying to get hens to eat Diatom. It works fantastically well as a dehydrating powder, and this is how it kills external parasites. When added to dustbaths it rapidly shrinks droppings into completely dried-out fossilised-looking lumps, so what would be the effect on the gut of a chicken if swallowed in any quantity? Might it result in terminal constipation?
 
To Sue - what other internal parasites are you thinking of other than worms ?

I've never used Diatom as I use creosote on all my poultry housing.

Marigold sums up my concerns about feeding it internally.

I am sceptical about many of the products on the market which have been produced in response to the increase in new poultry keepers. They use well tried advertising wording like 'helps prevent worms' or 'helps prevent infection'. If they had any real conviction that the products work, they would say ' prevents worms' which they would have to prove.

Some keepers have reported large worm burdens on test after relying on a certain 'organic' worm preventer.

There is an expensive product which is said to kill red mite by disolving their shell with detergent. A cheap washing up liquid should produce the same effect as I see it.
 
Marigold, there are different grades of Diatom powder, even available for humans. Also, my hens do peck at it in the dust bath when I put it in. I didn't think it was a dehydrating powder and it isn't advertised as such. The way I understood it worked was by breaking up the exoskeleton of the mites/lice and killing them by cutting them with the very fine particles. I haven't read anywhere that it dehydrates them. Perhaps you could let me know where you have seen this.

There are lots of products on the market for poultry keepers and one that everyone sells is anti-pecking spray. When I first had a problem with one of my hens pecking another very badly, I sprayed her with the product that is supposed to stop this and I then had a more serious problem, because all the other hens then decided they would investigate and also started pecking her!!! I then sprayed her with the purple anticeptic spray as they had drawn blood. This is supposed to disguise the bloody area and also treat the wound. This was fine until it dried and started to fade - to a nice shade of red!!!!! The feathers were then stained red and of course they all started pecking again!! I had to cut away all the stained feathers as I could not remove it otherwise.
 
Sue said:
Marigold, there are different grades of Diatom powder, even available for humans. Also, my hens do peck at it in the dust bath when I put it in. I didn't think it was a dehydrating powder and it isn't advertised as such. The way I understood it worked was by breaking up the exoskeleton of the mites/lice and killing them by cutting them with the very fine particles. I haven't read anywhere that it dehydrates them. Perhaps you could let me know where you have seen this.

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I've just observed this dehydrating effect from using it in dustbaths, as I said especially on droppings, and in redmite powder which I suppose is just medicated Diatom. Yes, it is a silica compound, and is abrasive to the exoskeleton of parasites, as you say, but it also dries them up as well as grinding them away (ouch!) So these effects would make me wary of trying to get hens to eat large enough doses of it to try to treat or prevent worms, though as you say, they do sometimes eat it out of the dustbath etc. I just can't see any advantage in using it for worms when there are other ways which have been proven to be more reliable and safe.

I do agree with you about the multiplicity of products on the market nowadays, without which you'd think no chicken could thrive and survive! I think you're implying that many of the 'problems' we are encouraged to buy 'remedies' for could be prevented or ameliorated by better management in the first place, using sound management practices which might have been better understood in the past by more experienced keepers who had grown up with poultry.
 
I just think we probably don't need any of these products! How did chickens survive in the past without wormers, red mite powders, anti-pecking spray etc. Someone is making a lot of money out of the ever increasing numbers of 'back yard' chicken keepers.
 
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