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i have just finished reading the encyclopedia of chickens and was suprised
to see an article about the cochin bantam did any one know that the cochin bantam
in england is the pekin i even had to let my wife read the article to make sure that what
i had read was correct did any one else know this fact or am i very ignorant would like to
know what other people think on this one :o
 
Hi Tony,
I believed that when the pekin was first introduced into this country it was believed to be a cochin,when in fact they 'are not related'(read that bit in a book),is your book that said pekins are bantamised cochin's an english book.Some other countries might refer to the pekins as bantamised cochin's.I don't think the poultry club classes them as cochin's.
 
just remembered the pekin is a true bantam,so,it isn't a bantamised cochin.
 
hi Lydia
the book im reading is i think american as it describes the american bantam cochin
as broader and a little taller ill find the author of the book and post it tomorrow
i hope i havent offended any pekin breeders as im a breeder as well of these great little
birds
 
hi Tony,
I very much doubt that you've offended anyone,you only queried something you read.I nearly asked you if it was an american book,it's just that with dogs and horses some breeds will have either a completely different name or slightly different across the pond ;) .
Also,whenever it was pekins first arrived in this country,poultry ppl did think they were cochins.
I think pekins are lovely.......but then,I think all poultry are lovely.
 
The Complete Encyclopedia of Chickens that I have is by Esther Verhoef and Aad Rijs from the Netherlands and has a few strange words in it where there are difficulties in the translation... but I do like it, there's some great information in there that you don't find in other books.
 
hi Everyone
the book i have isthe same as Tims so Tim if you get time can you go to the
cochin bantam and read the particulars of the breed perhaps you can shed some
light on the situation also lydia im like you i love all chucks and can talk chucks all
day dont know about you anyway ill wait to hear from you all
 
Hi Tony,it does sound like a decent book.I've only got a couple of chook books,very basic ones....obviously designed for a blonde women :lol: .Yes,I do talk chooks all day.My friends have stopped ringing me because I think they're all sick of my chook talk :o :? :mrgreen: .
 
i have just started with pekins this year and i understand as far as my knowledge goes is that in australia and england they are called pekins but in america the call them bantam cochin but the breed is really from japan and is a true bantam
 
hi Lydia
im the same if im not talking chucks im busy with them
i get on my wifes nerves with them im hatching eggs at the moment
and got some chicks in the broody under the heat and some of them are the pekin
also the blue jersey giants but my favorite breed is the cochin what about you :)
 
I have only got my 4 ex-batt's and 2 black pekins.I would love to have more,but,my garden is very small.
On warm dry days I often sit outside with the chooks and my dogs,whenever I'm outside the chooks follow me around everywhere.My back door is actually in my lounge(very bad design flaw)so if the door is open the chooks pop in.Also,if I go out,when I come home they are all on the back door step,waiting to see if I'm going to let them in,or give them some treats.I often find them on my sofa.......
My bfd luckily doesn't live with me,he er,isn't so keen on them being in my house :o ,but I enjoy their company.
I think cochins,pekins and jersy giants are all lovely,orpingtons appeal to me as well.I also like the naked necks though,although I haven't met many people that do.I also like frizzles,houdans and polands.

So basically I've got 8 favourites,but doubt I'll ever actually own half of those breeds.
 
Yes, I found out this weekend at the Hannover show that Pekin Bantams are actually Cochin Bantams or Minature Cochins averywhere else in the World!

I haven't kept Pekin Bantams but they are very appealing (as are most breeds to me though!) ;)
 
Tim
many thanks for the advise does that mean excuse me for my ignorance
that they are anly known as pekins in england and not cochin bantams
and also they cant be shown as true bantam can they as there is according to
everywhere else they are the bantam cochin im getting to like this debate
and thanks again Tim WELL DONE
 
Just to put my oar in (?!)

The way I understand it pekins are known as pekinS in the UK and shown in the true bantam section (at least that's were they were in my local show!) and as cochin bantams in numerous other countries - trust us Brits to be different eh!

In the interest of research I am more than happy to take sponsorship offers for a world tour to see which section the pekin/ cochin bantam is shown in in other countries?! lol

Nicky
 
pebojuno said:
In the interest of research I am more than happy to take sponsorship offers for a world tour to see which section the pekin/ cochin bantam is shown in in other countries?! lol
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:lol: Sorry Nicky, I've already sponsored myself for that one ;)

Yes, that is how I also understand it - Pekin Bantams are true bantams - ie there is no large counterparts.

It is confusing - as the Pekin Bantam isn't a smaller version of the Cochin but a breed in its own right :roll:

One of my books says it's thought to come from the same place in China and 'Cochin' became a kind of generic term for birds from this region..
 
Oh and I met a nice chap from Serbia at the show who gave me his card and said he showed and bred Pekin Bantams... called Patuljasta Kokinkina in Serbian... so I guess us Brits aren't unique in calling them Pekin Bantams!
 
Sorry Nicky, I've already sponsored myself for that one
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There goes my free holiday!

I find that there are quite a few confusing breeds like this- Some have several completely different names e.g. dutch crested/ polish/polands and some pure breeds in other countries are completely different looking to those of the UK standard - e.g. araucanas.

Keeps us all alert i suppose!
 
The differences between countries of the same breeds happens in most animals.It is down to selective breeding, by the breeders of those countries trying to breed to the countries 'breed standard'.With poultry in the uk, I think The Poultry Club are in charge of poultry breeds standards.
There will be slight or large variations in the different standards.

On top of this individual breeders may not all interpret a standard the same,which is why certain lines will be noted for different attributes.
 
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