Carbon Monoxide poisoning in Chickens

chrismahon

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I know this appears unlikely to happen but it did. Most common with gas brooder lamps it actually happened to our pet Buff Orpington cock whilst ill in the house. The tolerance of chickens is similar to humans, which surprised me as I thought they would react a bit like Canaries and just keel over. The French have done studies after the Broiler Industry was hit by several cases affecting workers in the sheds.

Packing and moving him to new surroundings caused an ILT flareup again. This was severe so he stopped eating and drinking and talking. He lost all interest in life and then developed an internal infection. We kept him in all the time, hand feeding him and with a second strong dose of Baytril he appeared to be getting better.

The cold weather arrived so we kept the wood burner well lit to keep him warm as he had lost so much weight -just feather and bones. No matter what we did he didn't get any better and we were just keeping him alive really and hoping he would keep going to the warm weather. His symptoms were loss of appetite, unable to get warm, very pale face almost white at times, loss of balance, poor eyesight, generally very weak and a spell of crowing would knock him back for days. All he wanted all the time was a cuddle. The wood burner was leaking air so we couldn't control the burn rate very well. Decided to repair it in Spring then we had a cold and wet spell which kept me in all day for several days. I then felt rather ill and couldn't work out why. Very different symptoms to anything I've had before. A sort of 'detached' feeling, nausea and loss of energy.

I don't know what triggered the thought but I researched Carbon Monoxide poisoning and found we both (Bottom and myself) had symptoms. Apparently it affects pets first and a sudden death should raise suspicions. We let the fire die down and got a CO detector, but it didn't trigger and I later found out why. They are set above the 'low level' long term poisoning figure of 30ppm at between 50 -100ppm. This is because opening the fire to load it will cause a temporary increase in CO levels and having the alarm go off every time would be a pain. A proper meter could set us back £250 so that was ruled out.

So the fire was sealed with a specially thin sealant which can be forced into the cast iron section joints. A seal was fitted to the large front door. The transformation to the fire's performance was amazing -so hot and using half the wood!

What was more amazing was that next day Bottom started eating, following us around and talking a lot. Yesterday he saw me eating a piece of sponge cake and fell off the settee in his rush to get to it. The transformation in him is staggering in just a week. His crop is bulging every night. It just remains for him to start crowing again but at the moment we are enjoying the peace in the morning!
 
So glad you found out in time, Chris, for yourself as well as Bottom. For an engineer, it must have been one of those 'Duh!' moments, when you found out that what you had been kindly stoking ip to keep him warm was actually the cause of the problem. And the stove is now more efficient, excellent.
 
Never a dull moment here Marigold. Botty is eating again as I type but still not drinking -sure he will remember that soon. He's keeping Lucy Legbar company as she was attacked and mauled by the Chasse dogs which were illegally released across the property on Wednesday morning. They dug under the wire of the enclosure and killed and ate Molly Legbar. Left the Orpingtons untouched, presumably because they don't look like wildlife. Hopefully her eyesight is OK but she can't open her eyes yet and now is being treated for a chest infection. We have to write to the Mayor to complain and request compensation. Just checked the electricity meter after loads of wiring tests and rectification (not complete yet) to find it over-reads by 30%, so we use 10 units and EDF charge us for 13! To make it more complex the error varies, the worst being 12 units used and 30 on the meter. Problem is being severely compounded by the English landlord's wiring. There's far more but I have to pop out to make a wind shelter for Basil and his girls who are freezing at the moment.
 
Chris- it sounds as though life was much simpler in Staffordshire! At least there's now some reasonable beer brewed in your old home town...
You've certainly put me off escaping the rat race & moving to France :-)07
 
Problem is Icemaiden for the price of a pint of Marstons Pedigree we can get two bottles of decent wine here. Of course it will all be different next month. Yesterday was the end of the Chasse season until October and the tourists start arriving soon. I'll sweep the chimney ready for next Winter and we'll be gathering wood. Hopefully the UK house will sell and we'll be moving from here to a permanent home. Then a lot of building, Guinea Fowl and Pigs. Back to UK tomorrow (17 hours driving + sleep stops and ferry = 26 hours) to decorate the bedroom so I won't be on the forum for a few weeks.
 
So I'm back and so is Bottom. Crowing louder, earlier and more frequently every day. Has put on a Kg weight in two weeks -he just won't stop eating. Drinking fine as well so is back to normal. No doubt in my mind at all that he was poisoned and we have fitted a brand new CO alarm in the lounge.
 
Lucy appears partially blind in one eye at the moment Margaid. Given the damage she sustained it is a miracle she has any eyes at all! She was grabbed by the head and dragged out of the nest box and run. I have photos but won't post them. We are hoping that when all the swelling has gone here full eyesight will be restored. Here eyes are intact, but I suspect there is nerve damage.
 
Heavens! What has been going on while I've been away? So glad to hear you and Bottom are ok Chris! You really should write a book about all your 'adventures'!
 
You don't know the half of it Sue. We're now looking for a traditional French wood burner, only to discover they are all in England! Been exported and restored.

Lucy is doing fine now but a bit sluggish and Bottom has started moulting -feathers everywhere. The 5 TNN pullet 'chicks' are now laying at 22 weeks and have gone into a coop with their brother. The other brothers will be dinner, but that's been postponed because of Northern Fowl Mite. I watched geese overhead flying North and a few days later the cockerels had the first signs of NFM. We check all the birds every week now.
 
Oh dear Chris! I thought you'd moved over there for an easy life!!!! Did you take any photos of the TNN's when they were chicks? Very interested to see what they look like at that age. Looks like you'll have to buy your traditional French woodburner from uk and probably pay a greatly inflated price for it as well! Glad to hear everyone's ok though including Lucy and Bottom!
 
Hi Sue. Think we have some photos, but they just look like a little version of the big ones. Their necks are bald from the start, the feathers are just fluff though so they are very cute.

The French are very energy conscious. It's easy to see you are burning too much wood because the pile goes quickly. The old woodburners were not very efficient so they have been taken out and replaced with modern ones. Apart from the difference in cost of 8 cubic metres against 4 cubic metres, its all the hard work chopping it up and loading the fire. We will probably get a modern reproduction. They are the same with electricity, which is 3 phase to every house. If you use a lot you need a bigger tariff and pay more per unit for it -sort of wastage tax. we have a 9KW tariff (3KW per phase) which allows us to use a 3KW kettle without tripping the fuse.
 
They really keep an eye on you over there then!

Would like to see the photos of the TNNs if you have time.
 
Thinking of a video of the whole setup Sue. Haven't had time to do the export thing or the new breeding coops or the unusual enclosure, so may cover it all in one go. Bought the camera so I could show Rosie the properties I was viewing as it takes a whole day and more to do one viewing and someone has to stay back to look after the little darlings and Bottom.

The English could learn a lot from the French. Why is 'W' pronounced 'double U'? In France it is pronounced as it is -'double V' as it is not UU but W.
 
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