Walk In Run Rain\Wind Protection

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I have just assembled a 3m x 4m walk in run (supplied by Jim Vyse Arks) Highly recommended as a supplier!
No hens yet, hopefully they will be arriving in 2 weeks.

I'm after some advice regarding rain \wind protection. The weld mesh is sturdy, so I do have many options.
I'm looking at the current inclement weather, and also thinking ahead to winter.
I have multiple clear tarpaulins that could, in effect, wrap almost all the walls but is that necessary?

Does anyone else have a similar run and what do you do for weather protection?

Any advice appreciated.
 
Hi FraserP and welcome!

Good choice, to get a Jim Vyse run. He’s based near to us and I know he uses proper wood, not the Chinese imported rubbish that leaks the first winter. How many hens are you getting? With 12 sq. metres, you’d be OK with up to 6, though maybe 4-5 might be better for a start.

Has the run got a roof? That’s the first priority for winter protection from wind and rain, preferably with a gutter to take away rain that would otherwise blow in under the edge. It’ll avoid the nasty muddy mess that the run floor will otherwise become. I used clear corrugated plastic roofing panels but solid green is good if your run isn’t going to get much shade in summer. Mine is under big trees so the extra light is good.

You’re quite right about screening with clear tarps, they’re excellent for protection from wind and rain, and really good for keeping snow out if you live in an area where that’s an issue. Chickens are reasonably waterproof and do need fresh air, so it’s not good to totally enclose the sides, just cover the ones that get the prevailing winds and where it’s important to make a 3-sided dry end area for food, dust bath, and a dry cosy perch for them on winter days. They don’t feel the cold if they’re dry, and they don’t like wind. I put the tarps up in the autumn and take most of them down when the weather gets hot in the Spring. I’ve left most of the south side open, with a long low perch which they can use to sit together and watch the view over the garden.

Tarps are easy to cut to size and fix. I nail them under a wooden batten along the top and side edges, and then fix the middle of the tarp to the mesh at intervals using cable ties pushed through in loops from the other side of the mesh. This stops the middle part from flapping against the mesh and scaring the birds. I ‘ll try to do some pics in my run tomorrow and maybe other people can also give you more ideas.


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Hi again, Fraser. My run is the same size as yours, 3 x4 metres, so here are some pics of mine showing screening etc.

Just a few ideas to share - I’ll be interested to see pics of your setup, as you develop it. Good luck with your project, we hope to hear more soon.

It would be great if we could develop this thread, with pics of how other people have laid out their runs and invented shelter from wind and rain. Lots of ideas to share?

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This is the view from the entry, showing the back 1/3 of the run, with two internal screens and a gap between them. The screens are based on old scaffolding supports from a friend’s skip. I’ve made a separate mesh panel that I can fix temporarily across the gap when I need to separate or isolate any of the hens. The dividers also support two feeders, on battens; the light green one contains grit and oyster shell and the dark green one on the other side contains layers pellets. It’s vitally important that the pellets stay dry at all times. The big green tub at the back is the deep dustbath. It’s about 1/3 full of dry soil/sand mix, and the high sides help to prevent the hens from scattering the contents when they stand up to shake their feathers after a good roll in the dust.

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This is the area where they can roost on a high perch at night, dry under the roof and sheltered from wind and rain by tarps fixed round three sides, like an openfronted tent. Plenty of ventilation, but they cuddle up to keep warm. They also have the option of roosting in a normal coop but being young and all from quite flighty breeds, they prefer the perch option - it’s their choice. The overnight droppings fall in a neat pile on to the Aubiose bedding and are easier to pick up next day than cleaning out a coop - and no danger of redmite in the coop, if they never sleep in there. You can see how I’ve fixed the tarps to the mesh in the middle, using cable ties.



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This is the view from the back of the run towards the door - the larger area, with the coop and with a long perch overlooking the garden where they sit to watch what’s going on. The low green tarp screens are mainly to prevent the dog from terrorising them - she likes it when they get in a flap. But they also provide a bit of shelter from wind at the hens’ level. Chickens are originally ‘forest edge’ birds and they like to be able to see out but not feel too exposed. The end with the door in it, and the long side with the perch, aren’t covered with tarp, they let in lots of air and keep everything ventilated. That side does get wet in driving rain, but so long as the birds can always find shelter elsewhere, that doesn’t matter. The Aubiose dries out without going mouldy, unlike wood chippings.


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The Green Frog coop is up on blocks, (easier on a human’s back when cleaning it out) and they like to get in underneath for a little communal snooze in the afternoon. I’ve had to raise the gangplank with an assortment of blocks, as you see. That side of the run is covered with tarp as it faces NE and a lot of rain and cold wind blows across the field on the other side. If they did choose to sleep in the coop, the tarp would prevent direct draughts from blowing in the open pophole, which I never shut at night. Also, if it snows, it blows in through the mesh and fills the run if there’s no tarp in place.

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This is the other side of the sheltered end at the back. It’s up against a neighbours shed, so rain would be diverted in off the shed roof when it’s wet, but the tarp keeps it out OK and thus keeps the feeder dry. I can’t get to the other side to fix cable ties to hold the tarp flat, hence the blocks at the bottom. The ‘afternoon treats ‘ plate is up on a block so it doesn’t get full of Aubiose when they scratch around. It’s best if they feed off a plate, rather than finding corn etc scattered on the floor where it’s likely to get contaminated by worms from their droppings. The drinker is also on a block, at chest height for the smallest bird, which helps to keep Aubiose out of the water so it stays cleaner than if it was on the floor.
 

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Hi Marigold,
From what you have said, it sounds like I'm going in the right direction. Struggling to get images posted but as I work it out I'll update the post. It looks like the one in this link but shorter https://www.jimvysearks.co.uk/product/large-enclosed-run-with-apex-onduline-roof/

The run does have both an Onduline roof and rain gutters. I'm currently waiting on a water butt attachment, to collect the rain water at the rear of the run. I adapted the supplied two sided gutter to have rear joining downpipe.
The amount of water the roof can shed, shouldn't be underestimated though, I may need a larger water butt! The build went reasonably well, for a un-gifted amateur. It came unassembled in panels but the instruction gave enough information to assemble it. Plus a call to Jim Vyse!

I have Tarpaflex clear tarps ready to deploy. The baton idea you suggested will work well. I just need so treated timber batons. The prevailing wind is from the NW, however, the recent squally conditions meant that the feed containers got wet regardless of the side they were located. So, some part part coverage will be needed on the shorter sides.

The coop is a Omlet Eglu Cube Mk2 and I have booked 5 rescue hens from the BHWT. Hopefully, they will be available for collection in 10 days time. Unless, that is, we get Covid19 travel restrictions applied.

Thanks for the advice.
 
That sounds good. The roof looks lovely. I agree, there will be a lot of water collected - it’s better out than in the run! You’ll need to arrange an overflow for the water butt, as however big it is, you probably won’t use it all on the garden in a wet winter. Mine just diverts water away from the roof on to a nearby patch of garden.
I didn’t bother with new, treated battens, I just use whatever scrap bits of wood we have lying around to recycle when I want to fix the tarps.

Good luck with the exbatts, some of us keep them and will be very interested in how you get on, and happy to share experiences. Your birds may well need the extra shelter you’ve planned if they’ve been kept indoors and are poorly feathered on arrival. Will they be your first chickens?

This link may help with posting photos http://poultrykeeperforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11143
It’s not too difficult once you have the hang of it but the software is not very user-friendly at first. It may be easier from your phone if you can just choose Medium when reducing the file size.
What are you going to use on the floor and in the nest boxes and coop? Aubiose (shredded hemp) is good, highly absorbent,comfortable and warm for the hens, coats the poos for easy removal, and makes wonderful compost. Find a local supplier and collect a couple of bales to save carriage costs if you can. See list on the Aubiose site
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Or there are various alternatives from your local farm store, Easibed etc.

If the run is on an earth base, you might consider covering the floor with permeable weed proofing membrane, fastened down all round with plastic pegs. This will prevent the girls from digging holes and mixing earth into the bedding. With Aubiose on top, the membrane will last a long time and is available in wide enough pieces to cover without needing joins. It’s not expensive, mine lasts for years before needing replacement. The girls should have a dust bath instead for digging in, or they do like to roll around in the Aubiose as well.
You might also think about predator proofing the floor and making it less easy for rats or foxes to dig in under the edges. Line it with 1/2” weldmesh, taken up the sides by about 15-20 cms and wired to the mesh of the sides. Then cover this with the membrane and top it off with 5-10cms of bedding. Mesh will last for many years - mine has been down since 2009 and is still intact. Rats do try to tunnel under it but can’t get in, and I hope the same would be true for foxes.
 
Hi Marigold,
These will be my first hens. It's been a long time coming, with first the Covid19 shutdown and then the difficulty of getting a suitable run. Jim Vyse was very helpful and delivered what was required and on time.

I already have a 100 litre water but and the intention is to add a 2nd, joined together. There is a gravel sump (posh name for an overflow hole) to take away the excess water from the run area.

The run is supported on 250 x 125 x 2400 sleepers, which is sat on 10cm base of MOT. I have the predator skirt option still to fit. It is intended to go under the frame of the run and outward by 30cm. The difficulty is going to be lifting the run. It's not light!

The floor of the run is approx. 8cm of hardwood chips on a soil base (10 x 50 litre bags). The Eglu cube will have hemp bedding or Aubiose, under the bars and in the nesting area. There is a dust bath ready (a deep plastic tray) containing play sand and wood ash. Multiple feeders and waterers as well as a couple of grit containers. The more I write this down, the more I think I may have gone 'slightly' overboard with the set up!

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Wow. That’s all amazing. Rags to riches, for your exceptionally lucky hens! A lot of research and all bases covered, I think. You’ll be glad you did everything to such a high standard from the start, and have such lasting and useful accommodation and equipment.

Will you have to go far, to pick them up? Whereabouts do you live, if lockdown restrictions are a possibility? I do hope it goes as planned. After so long it would be terrible if you couldn’t get to them. We’re all looking forward to those first pictures of them - and then some more, in a few weeks, when they’re looking so lovely in their new feathers. You’ll need to be prepared for cancelling everything else, so you can just sit and watch them.
 
Hi Marigold,
Finally got pictures of the run with screens in place. I took on board your suggestion of attaching the tarps with batons.
Still no hens yet. I am collecting them on Saturday from BHWT in Nantwich. Current restrictions, including those starting Friday, still allow this. Hopefully, I have everything in place to make their collection, arrival and future as stress free as I can make it. I think I may be the most stressed at this point. What have I forgotten? :-)07
 

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Wow, Fraser, that looks lovely! I expect you’ll find the screening is well worthwhile in keeping the run dry and reasonably windproof for exbatts, so the drop in temperature for them will be manageable even if they’re a bit naked in places. Is that a light over the door?
I like the Danger sign- this may well turn out to be more appropriate than you imagine.
They will like some green stuff to nibble each day, although at first they might not recognise it as food. Not much nice new green grass at the moment, but mine enjoy some shredded cabbage, or you can hang up a few leaves for them to peck at. On my walk today I found some tender new goose grass shoots under a hedge, and they love them. A new world is about to open up for your lucky girls!
Please take some pics of them so we can see what they start out like.
What have you forgotten - muck bucket and gardening gloves tucked in under the coop, maybe?
Do they have a grit and oyster shell container?
Where will you get your water from, for the drinkers? Do you have a nearby tap, or maybe a butt you can fill from the mains now and then?
 
Superb! I think you will need a box frame to go around the dust bath to contain it and keep the chip out. Something like 2x4 or 5" plank should do it (similar height as the kick boards) and they will also use it for a daytime perch.
 
rick said:
Superb! I think you will need a box frame to go around the dust bath to contain it and keep the chip out. Something like 2x4 or 5" plank should do it (similar height as the kick boards) and they will also use it for a daytime perch.
Id been looking at the dust tray. Its probably overfilled with sand and ash at the moment. I don't expect it to remain contained. I do have timber available that would be suitable. Excellent idea. Highly expect the area to look like the Somme within 24 hrs!
 
Hi Marigold,
Good spot, that is a solar sensor light on the front gable end, that is currently not working! Its been outside for 3 days and not a glimmer.
There are two stainless containers for grit, one at the front, near the waterer and one at the rear, on a raised sleeper.
The run is only 6 feet from my door so, hopefully, any resupply will be relatively straight forward. I'm still in two minds re feed and bedding bins location. These are currently these are in the garage, but taking up valuable space. Do you store feed outside? The bins I have, do have secured lids.
I was concentrating on stopping the wind and rain, on the far side. It was already been blowing through before the tarps were attached. If necessary I can lower them slightly.
 
It would be better to keep the feed bin in the garage, because it’s essential that the feed is kept dry. Even if the bin is waterproof, you may need to open it on a wet day to top up the feeder, and it could be affected by damp atmosphere. Even if not obviously wet it might become mouldy if a bit damp. The bedding will be fine outside if it’s in plastic sacks, but I do cover my stack of bales with a plastic tarp, fixed round with elastic rope.
 
Superb, love the velociraptor sign. Very apt as marigold says, especially if you have to move one that has decided to go broody or just doesn't want to move from where you are doing something vital
 
rick said:
Superb! I think you will need a box frame to go around the dust bath to contain it and keep the chip out. Something like 2x4 or 5" plank should do it (similar height as the kick boards) and they will also use it for a daytime perch.

Yes agree about the need for height round the dust bath, also Ricks comment reminded me that they would really like a perch, 2x2” with edges sanded down, somewhere they could look out and see what is going on outside. Ideally this would be along the side where you have the feeder and drinker at present, and needs to be a few inches lower than the tarp so they can see over the top when up on it. You’ll probably be removing the tarp in Spring, when they’ve feathered up and the weather is warmer. Support it on a bracket fixed to one of the uprights on the door side, and screw a supporting batten across the two uprights on the side of the run. My girls spend a lot of time looking out on the world, they’re always up there to greet me, and it’s really nice to see them as well. It doesn’t need to be as long as mine, I just had a long recycled piece of wood which fitted my space! The cable ties fix the perch securely and make it easy to remove for cleaning.
You might need to move the feeder back into the fully covered area to make room for a perch. It may be a bit near to the ‘window’ when you get wet or misty weather.

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Hi Marigold,
Thanks for the advice for the perch and feeder move.

Today, is the day! I'm collecting the girls from the BHWT, later this afternoon. The weather proofing is working so far. I still have a few things to bottom off, fresh water, prepare the feeders, Aubiose in the coop, grit in the tins ... etc.....
 
Good Luck, hope all goes well with the collection especially as the weather forecast isn't too good.

I well remember the day I picked up my cockerel and a replacement hen and brought them home, an occasion best forgotten in some respects!
 
Hi Fraser.
How did it go? Are your girls safely ensconced in their new run?

Out of interest, were you advised to take your own box(es), or do they supply everyone with preboxed hens under the "cluck & collect" system?
 

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