Respiratory disease or gapes or?

loved'uccles

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Hello everyone! I'm new here and live in the U.S. but I love this site and do a lot of reading here. I'm hoping someone can help me figure out this problem....! I have a small hobby flock of Silkies (16 birds) and my 13 year old sons each have a flock of bantams. One raises d'Uccles,(about 22 birds separated into 4 color groups) and the other raises Sebrights, (20) and also has 12 standard Polish cresteds.

About a week ago they noticed a d'Uccle pullet, 3 months old, that was reluctant to move much. Her comb is bluish. She eats and drinks, has nice feathers. She is a little under weight. They pulled her out for segregation. Then, a rooster of the same age became weak with heavy breathing. The next day, he was unable to stand. A pheasant hen and rooster in adjacent pen became fluffed up and lethargic. I put Sulmet in the water and the pheasant rooster was better the next day and the hen died. At this point, 5/22, I took the two little d'Uccles on an all day trip to an avian vet. His advice was to sacrifice the hen and send her for testing. He thought she would die that same day because of so much fluid in her chest and a strong heart murmur, thus explaining the blue comb. We decided not to take his advice, we may regret it later, but my son was very upset and it is awfully expensive. We decided to try to treat them. The vet gave us an injectable Baytril dose. On the way home, stopped at a horse vet friends house. Concurred that the hen's heart is terrible and gave her an injection of Lasix. It seemed to help her. Today is 5/26 and I have been giving those two birds Baytril injections twice a day. Huge improvement in the rooster the next day. He was walking around and crowing! They are in an indoor brooder with a lamp. The hen looks happy enough other than she does have fluid building up slowly. The horse vet thinks the hen may just have the bad luck of having a bad heart to begin with. So, meanwhile several other chickens, a few in almost every pen, have some symptoms.

Not wanting to and not having enough Baytril for everyone, I am just keeping fresh tetracycline in the drinkers.

I wish I could understand better what we are treating. Here are the symptoms; Head shaking, some open mouthed breathing, humped up, tails drooping, eyes closed acting sleepy. None have had any discharge from anywhere, poo looks normal, all are eating and drinking.

I hooked up a light over each sleeping area to try to help them stay warm. It is not cold right now but has been windy. Since there is such a sampling of chickens and pheasants throughout the property showing symptoms, I don't think I can put the sick ones all in one place. I think everyone is exposed. No chickens have died yet but the pheasants don't seem to do well with it. I am now giving one pheasant hen baytril as well. She was on a nest so may be stressed and thin already. She does not want to walk or open her eyes. So far, all the chickens showing signs have been under a year old, the worst being in the 3 month old category.

So sorry to write a book my first time here! Just hoping someone can shed more light on this. I've been reading all I can and most of what I read discusses respiratory distress along with discharge...

Thanks to anyone taking the time to plow through this!
 
Hi Loved'uccles and welcome to the forum. Sounds like you are going through hell there. Purple comb can be a heart problem and presumably none of the others have that symptom so it sounds co-incidental. Clearly infectious it sounds like IB -infectious bronchitis. We had a mild strain caught from new hens introduced which had been inoculated with a live IB (and ILT) virus via their drinking water. Our infected hens were assisted with Synulox (think that's how you spell it, mixed with water and given orally and expensive). I say assisted because it is a virus, so all the antibiotics can do is control secondary infections. IB spreads in the wind -up to 1500 yards I read somewhere. We didn't lose any birds and I hope you don't either, but it took us 3 weeks to get it under control. Sounds like you have a mild strain as well or you would have lost your flocks by now. Introduced any new birds recently?
 
Thank you for the reply. The only new birds are the three month olds. We got them from a hatchery at a day old and raised them inside. Introduced them to the rest of the flock about a month ago. We have had very strong winds lately and that's when things seemed to get started. Even a few of our horses are having respiratory problems. Another thing, it has been very dry here and the wild birds are getting a bit desperate. We have had large flocks of starlings and sparrows trying to mooch food and coming in for water...
So far, have only lost the one pheasant hen. The other pheasant hen is still with us. I am giving her Baytril and I took her eggs away and put in the incubator. Two hatched last night. I had the hatching eggs in my shirt at 4 this morning because our electric was out due to nearby fires....Just to add to the fun. It had occured to me that if that pheasant died over night, the eggs/hatching chicks would probably die. Then it occured to me that to try to keep new babies unexposed, I better hatch everybody inside. As hens approach the due dates on their eggs, I'll be pulling them all. More fun!
I will look into the Synulox. Hen with heart symptoms is hanging in there, not much change.
Thanks for your advice. I hope it passes through without losing any chickens. You have cheered me up.
 
I think Synulox is equivalent to Clavimox. Do you know? Synulox does not appear to be available here but Clavimox is...
 
Hi loved'uccles, sorry I can't be any help, I don't know what's going on with your birds either, but i just wanted to say i do feel for you. obviously you are doing your very best for them under very difficult conditions. The environmental conditions you speak of, and the influx of wild birds, may well have something to do with it. Are there any other poultry keepers near to you who are having similar problems, I wonder?
 
Thank you Marigold, you have helped. I get pretty discouraged when I can't figure out something that's going wrong with the animals. We are pretty isolated from everything other than the wild animals. No neighbors at all. Closest people are about a mile away and don't have animals. I guess there is always a certain chance of bringing home something on one's shoes after going to a feedstore. I have not visited anyone with birds for quite awhile.
I did bring a horse flu in by transporting a horse through a commercial transport company. Does anybody know if something like that can be contagious from horses? The horses are not very close to the birds, but I am back and forth between them constantly...
 
Hi Loved'uccles. Sometimes these things just fall from the sky because of migrating birds. We were hit by Northern Fowl Mite for that reason earlier this year. Hope you get on top of this.
 
Thanks everyone it's a great forum!
Things are looking up. Any bird that showed distress, I gave a shot of Baytril to. Birds that were in with any sick looking birds but otherwise looked okay, I just gave tetracycline to in their water. All others, I gave vitamins and electrolytes. The Baytril seemed to help. Sometimes after just one dose. I kept lights above favorite perches for warmth. I don't know how much helped, or if it was just going to run its course. The large flocks of starlings are gone. None of my parrots were at all affected, nor Guineas or peacocks.
We did lose the little pullet with ascites. I had drained her twice. She never stopped eating or being cheerful. She died quickly with the congested heart while my son was holding her.
Still a bit perplexed but no longer dreading the worst!
 
I'm so glad you seem to be getting on top of it, it must have been a terrible worry for you. It sounds as if the pullet 's problems were due to something else, doesnt it - just one of those things which sometimes happen, coming coincidentally at the same times as whatever the other problems were due to.
Here's hoping all will be well from now on - do keep in touch and let us know how you get on. Parrots, guinea fowl and peacocks sound a wonderful mixture, we don't get many of them on here!
 
Thank you for the words of encouragement Chrismahon and Marigold! Things are looking up here:)
 
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