New mum rejects her one and only 5 day old chick

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Hi,

All my posts recently have been about our broody pekin, trying to break her, giving up, letting her sit, the trauma of chick dying in its shell, and then only one egg successfuly hatching .

Now Mama Lavender has decided she no longer wants to be a mama!

Yesterday, mid morning, having checked on whether mama & her 5 day old chick were out- no chirping. Gently lifted mama and chick moved from under her. It looked rather crushed. So we put them both in their enclosed run and the chick guzzled water and gobbled the crumb. Within ten minutes of this, mama literally turned on the chick. We stood there horrified. She was picking it up by its wing and throwing it as far away from her as possible, repeatedly. After about 10 throws, Mike moved mama away from chick, and I cuddled it in my hands. It was shaking, and no doubt was cold too. After things seemed to calm, we replaced the chick, mama picked up where she left off. The little chick on two of these throws, ended up on its back and unable to right itself. It actually looked winded. It was absolutely awful to stand by helplessly. BUT after about another 10 throws, enough was enough. We removed chick, and he/she has now found a new home with a couple of dozen poland chicks up at our poultry ladys farm. (The lady who originally gave us the 4 Poland eggs for our broody to sit on- so by default she has actaully had back what was rightly hers!)

After returning home, mama was fully integrated back in the flock, dust bathing. She never once returned to the broody coop she has spent the last four weeks in! Later that day, she was sitting in the nest box of the main house.... on two eggs! I practically threw her out. Later again, she appeared to be actually sitting in wait for our third pekin to lay, I managed to remove the egg before mama had chance to sit on it. I watched her continuously peck the sitting pekin, so that she would move, and then she frantically searched for the egg, going round and round, then settling on nothing.

I am very upset with mama Lavender. I can take some comfort from the fact the chick is now happily running around with other chicks. BUT I am seriously doubting my chicken capabilities. Suffice to say there will be no more chicks, and as for broody pekins- well Mike is making a false wire bottom for them to sit on should they go broody.......

Its been such a nerve wrecking experience and I really don't know how you all do it. I know its not Lavenders fault, but I am so "off" with her. To see her totally back in the thick of the flock without a care in the world for Little Pip is so dis-heartening.

I hope if nothing else, this account of what has happened to us, may help and prepare others.

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A very tearful Sharron
 
Hi Sharron, sorry to hear ab out your chick- at least it's safe now. Sometimes hens have to learn to be good mothers- ( as humans and other birds/animals do) Next time she may be a great mum. Don't give up :) With animals there are always trials and tribulations :) Deaths, births, injuries etc. After a few years you get used to it- I find the growing popularity of chicken keeping is obviously producing lots of first time chicken keepers-who seem to worry too much about everything- this is quite normal- once they have them for a few months people tend to relax. Another problem is the breeds people are advised to keep- most new keepers ( especially the ladies :D ) are told - get pekins- a docile, popular choice but forget to mention they are almost constantly broody and don't lay many eggs- they are one of the worst breeds for going broody- a fact people are not told about and then suffer the worry of what to do with all the broodies- sett them, try to break them etc. So, take heart- you are not alone :) Try to relax and enjoy your birds- and don't worry about every little upset. :)
regards, David :)
 
Thankyou so much David, sound advice as always.

I agree, we do all worry too much, its rather akin to having a new baby! AND YES- we are all told about the wonderful Pekins nature, no mention of broodiness weeks on end. Plus of course there is the feather and fluff, cute factor for all us ladies!

SO why don't you and the the other moderators or more experienced members on here maybe think about compiling a tried and tested "Chickens & their traits suitable for newbies " guide?

Along with our 3 pekins, we have a Barbu D'uccle by default, (bought her as a sablepoot), and a sablepoot. 4months on I would have no hesitation in having more d'uccles, (before the chick business), BUT there was very little info available about their traits or fab personalitity! As for sablepoots, she is a beauty but a standoffish little madam. BUT I guess like the rest of us, each has its own unique personality.

Just a thought.......

Thankyou again for your reassurance. Sharron
 
SO why don't you and the the other moderators or more experienced members on here maybe think about compiling a tried and tested "Chickens & their traits suitable for newbies " guide?

I am slowly (very slowly) putting together pages on Chicken Breeds in which I'm including a 'useful to know' paragraph which will hopefully give people some tips about a given breed. It takes me about a week though to research a breed and write something useful though. It's also interesting to see how the different books tell different storys!

The problem (not in this case though) can sometimes be that what one breeders strain does can be different to another. I have had some strains of a breed that are very placid and another strain of the same breed that are very aggressive for example so it can be difficult writing "Docile, suitable for beginners" then!
 
Hi Tim,

What a dilemma, I have looked at the link and its very informative I would imagine it would take forever to cover each and every breed?? Also saw the Garvo advert, have been trying to source the chick crumb, which I now no longer need..... :(

I don't know how you find the time to keep us all happy, answering our niggles and concerns plus the major issues, and look after your flock? So please don't think I am anything but grateful and full of admiration for your stirling efforts.

I would however, like your opinion on our Mama hen throwing her chick around..... have you encountered that before, or ever heard of such a nasty thing?

Sharron - tears have now subsided
 
Hi Sharron,

Yes, it can happen - as you know, the pecking order exisits in a flock and any new birds will take a while to settle in. It can be quite brutal at times...

Chicks are no different. If you put a chick in with the hens, they would peck it to death. A broody is different once she has chicks, she will protect them, sometimes to the death...but if she is no longer broody / mother hen, she will revert to being just any other hen in the flock and will not see the chick as hers.

Some breeds of hens will go broody in their first year and will not sit for long, or make good mothers. Some breeds (or sometimes strains of the particular breed) will not be good mothers and will desert the chicks after a few days.

They are usually better mothers in their second year but again, some breeds, some strains are not.

There are some breeds that make really good mothers and some people keep these just to hatch with - some waterfowl and wildfowl are particularly difficult to hatch so a good broody is useful.

Hope this helps.

Tim
 
Hi Sharron, I was wondering how Lavender was getting on and it didn't occur to me to look in here until I saw your photo of Pip. This must be the first time I've posted here. So sorry to hear about your experience, and after all that fuss Lavender made with going broody constantly too !!

I'm glad I persevered with breaking the broodiness, have it down to a fine art now. At the first sign they go into the broody coop, door to sleeping area shut and only come out once I can lock up the main house when all eggs are laid. They then go back to sleep in the broody coop every night until cured. Takes about 3 days on average. Thanks Tim, I think this was your tip on the main site for how to stop broodiness. Ofcourse winning the broody coop helped :)

Davidd, you're so right about people needing to know about breed characteristics, and the less fluffy aspects of pekins. I acquired my pekins by default not choice, (and think they're lovely) but it is something to be taken into account when choosing breeds.
 
Hi Dawn,

Sometimes the strangest things will 'break' my broodies. I have a garden shed that I normally use for potting etc and there is a shelf just below the window. The floor is brick / concrete and I've popped a hen in this shed for a few days (with a wire door I made to ensure adequate ventillation). The hen will usually not want to sit on the cool floor and will fly up onto the shelf. She can then see the other hens out of the window. The shelf is bare, no nesting material allowed here!

Within a couple of days, she has stopped her clucking and goes back in with the others having forgotten about being broody.

They always make a bit of a mess for me to clean up but it does seem to do the trick every time!

Tim
 

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