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Hi people, I'm new on here, this is my first post.

I've got three young chickens living on 25 square metres of garden, the have been with me for 3 months now.

In that time they have transformed the lawn into a barren wasteland

Today it rained heavily all day and instead of staying in shelter they carried on scratching
until the ground was waterlogged and got covered in mud.

I'm a bit concerned that its only September, things aren't going to improve for a while.

How are they going to get clean and what do I do about their daytime living space?

Many thanks doug
 
Hi Doug, and welcome to the Forum.
Your problem is a common one, chickens are no respecters of lovely grass lawns. Do you also have a run with their coop in it, which you can shut them in when the weather is bad, or indeed use to ration their access to the whole garden? A run with strong mesh sides and top will also protect them from predators, especially foxes, which at nowadays very common in gardens and can strike at any time of day or night. It sounds as if you have made them some shelter, but they haven't had the sense to use it. If you can make them a walk-in run of at least 6square metres of floor space (ie, 2 sq. metres each, more if possible or if you think you might like more chickens in time) then it will be fine to keep them in there over the winter, otherwise the garden will become a quagmire once the grass stops growing and the winter rains really begin. You can fill the base of the run with a choice of bedding materials, so they can have drier feet and enjoy scratching around in it. Many people use wood chippings, sometimes available cheap or even free from tree surgeons. If you can give the run a roof, at least over part of it, and also cover the sides of at least one end with either clear plastic tarpaulin or removable panels of corrugated plastic roofing material, the wind and rain won't blow in sideways and everything inside will be much drier and more comfortable, for you as well as the chickens. Until you can do this, they will clean themselves up on dry days by preening and dustbathing (if you have provided a dustbath in a dry place, preferably under cover in their run) but until then, they'll just have to put up with some bad hair days. There are lots of threads on here about constructing runs, and many people with good experience of doing so.
As for the lawn, next year you could do as I do with mine, and pen them in a circle of chicken netting (the sort you buy for electric chicken fencing, see the Omlet site, but not electrified unless there are foxes around) during part of the day, to eat the grass. I move the netting on every few days, and treat the grass as a food crop, keeping it mowed, picking up chicken poo, and watering it in dry spells. It does need to be in good condition before the hens get on to it, though, as they will instantly excavate any bare areas, as you have found. Mine isn't too bad, even though it has had 4 hens and a cageful of quails on it all summer, though I shall rest it once it stops growing for the winter. This system also keeps the chickens off the flower beds, if this is important to you. If you now have bare areas on your lawn, you could consider re-seeding them now, or patching bigger areas with turf, leaving them to grow in over the winter, and keeping the hens off until next Spring. Yes, it's lovely for them to be able to range freely, but we back garden keepers have to share the garden with them, and if they destroy it, it's no good either to us or to them!
 
Thanks for your reply, I'll look in to designs for a run, start building at the weekend and reseed the lawn
 
Hi Doug, I wondered if a few pics might be helpful. (You need to click on the pictures to see them full size.)
Here are my 4 girls out on grass, in their circle of chicken netting. ATM the top is covered with butterfly netting as my young Leghorn pullet is still very flighty. This area is about 4X3 metres and I have available 3 areas like this to rotate the grazing. They've been on here all summer for about 2-3 hours a day and I shall re-seed one or two bare spots soon. The moveable temporary shelter is mainly for somewhere to keep the feeder dry, but also provides shade and shelter from wind and rain for the girls. It's just a tarpaulin cover I made to fit over a wire mesh framewwork, actually the end section of an Omlet eglu run.
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This is the outside of the run, becoming nicely camouflaged within the garden. It's great to know they're always safe, dry and comfortable in there, whatever the weather, and that there's still some grass for them and us to enjoy!
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This is the covered end, inside of my run. Its 3 X 4 metres, so could accommodate up to 6 hens. It's roofed with clear corrugated plastic panels, which let in lots of light, and one end has the sides covered with white/clear plastic tarp, to protect from wind and rain that would blow in sideways and make the floor all wet.
The coop is positioned so the pophole points in to a sheltered corner. This is so I can leave the pophole open at all times without the girls being blown off their perches by a draughty wind at night, but they always get full ventilation, very important.

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If you look through past threads, you'll find more pics of runs etc, to browse, eg this recent thread. http://poultrykeeperforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7113 Let us know how you're getting on.
 

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Marigold, have you put the white tarp inside the netting? It looks like it from the photo. How have you attached it to the run?

Also is that their dust bath in the corner of the covered section? If it is, what is it? I've used a large oblong black container from the garden centre, but can't put it in the covered section because they make an awful mess with it all going over the sides. I think mine's about 8" deep.
 
The tarp is easy to fix to the wooden framework of the run with strips of thin scrap wood (to spread the strain on the nails in windy weather, so it doesnt pull off.) It's been in place for over two years now, without any damage or deterioration. The part which you can see folded back across the front of the area can be let down when the snow blows from the north-east, to make a more sheltered area, with a perch for them to hang out on, in extreme weather in winter. That's an old scaffolding frame which I tie it down to, when needed.
The dustbath is the plastic base of an old large water butt I happened to have. It's 12 ins deep, with 5 ins depth of sand etc to scratch in, so 7 ins of walls inside to hold most of it in place. You do need a good deep container, so you have room for the sand etc plus added depth for when they stand up and shake. If you can make a dry roofed place for the dustbath, it's well worth it, especially in long spells of wet weather (ie all the time) otherwise weeks go by when they're not able to use it comfortably.
 
I'm off to B & Q tomorrow to buy some clear tarpaulin to put on one of my runs. What we have up there at the moment is too dark and is on the outside. I see yours is on the inside, which would stop it being caught by the wind so much. My only concern with it being on the inside is that the rain will run down it and inside the run, rather than staying on the outside. I'm also thinking about using something other than wood chip in the inside part of the run. I seem to have to renew it twice a year and at £100 + each time is very expensive. It now needs replacing again before the winter and I'm not sure what to do. This subject has been discussed time and time again on this forum and there's no perfect solution! What is that on the floor of your run Marigold? It looks a bit like Aubiose? Does it get wet on the side that hasn't got the tarp? Using something like this would be a much cheaper solution, but if it's going to get very wet or if it's dusty, then it wouldn't be an option for me, as I have birds with respiratory problems.
 
I haven't found a problem with having the tarp on the inside as its fixed all along the top edge and down the sides with narrow wooden battens so no rain gets in, and the roof drains to a gutter along the front. I did put an extra batten across the middle, horizontally, to reduce the flapping when it's windy, but the girls soon seemed to get used to the noise and take no notice of it.
Yes that's Aubiose, so far I think it's very nice, not dusty, and more absorbent than woodshavings. Any poos not picked up quickly become dehydrated and quite inoffensive. Picking up is very easy, it just coats the poos a bit like desiccated coconut on a cake, if you'll pardon the image, so even the wet ones don't make the gloves dirty. It hasn't been down long enough to find out how it behaves in the areas that get wet when rain blows in the uncovered sides, but we shall see. The girls really enjoy digging it into huge heaps and aren't so keen on their dust bath now they have this as well to
play with.
Prices vary a lot, mine worked out at £9 a bale delivered free from local stables , so if you can collect it or get free delivery it costs a lot less. On the advice from Flytes of Fancy I got 1 bale per sq metre of run but this was far more than I needed, a bale will easily do 2 sq metres at about 4 ins deep. So I have quite a few spare bales filling up the greenhouse! For my 12 metre run it should have been 7 bales, giving me a spare for top ups and the coop, about £63. However it would have been twice as much from some suppliers, including F of F, which wanted to send a pallet delivery around £45 however many or few you needed. If you go to the Aubiose UK website it has a list of stockists or you could ask local stables if they can sell you on some maybe.
 
Thank you Chuck.
Sue, on actually looking again I see I only used battens down the right angled inside corners where the tarp wraps round, as can be seen in the last picture I posted. Along the top edges and down the side edges where the tarp attached to flat uprights I just used the wide- headed nails intended to fix roofing felt on to sheds. The finished edge of the tarp is strong enough for these to hold in all weathers. Do check the thickness of the B&Q tarp as I bought a green one from Wickes that i found was very much more lightweight than the Monotex ones from Tarpaulins Direct, which are reinforced with nylon mesh and very long-lasting, whilst still being inexpensive. Also available in lots of different dimensions.
 
Thank you for all the information Marigold. I think I will buy from Tarpaulins Direct as I think you're right, B & Q don't stock the good quality tarps! Just as a matter of interest, what did you have on the run floor before the Easibed and what made you change?
 
Hi Sue,
Previously I've used rubber chippings, but recently changed for reasons explained in this thread. http://poultrykeeperforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7220 I do think the membrane as a base is a very good idea to help keep whatever you use clean and free from earth scratched up into it, though.
The Aubiose makes the run very much lighter, too, and the chickens were astonished when they first went back in it, as Marigold explained in a recent diary post.
 
Ditto Chuck's comments Marigold. We don't get much wind or rain here, just extremes of temperature so our approach will have to be rather different. We're thinking Winter and Summer layouts in different areas.
 

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