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I'm having a problem getting rid of lice :oops: from a couple of my chooks. I've covered them, at different times with Datom, Barrier Louse Powder, Total Mite Kill. I've dismantled the coop, scrubbed and sprayed it with Poultry Shield and covered every surface with DE, put it in their nest boxes and bedding. I've pu huge amounts of it in their dust bath but these two of my seven girls don't do dust baths. :roll:

I've now got some Johnsons Anti-Mite Extra to spray them with, only thing is it's for budgies and pigeons, the instructions say

1-2 pumps for small birds
3-5 pumps for large birds

My smallest girl is a skinny rescue Shaver and my largest is a Bluebelle. How many pumps do you think wil be ok? The active ingredient is Permethrin 25/72 0.05%

Thanx
WW
 
my general thoughts are on Johnsons , Hartz and Bob Martin are DO NOT USE ON YOUR ANIMALS. I've seen cats seize and die from their flea treatments... Are you sure they are lice? can you get a skin sample with a piece of tape to your vets to have them check and see what you are actually dealing with? I think I would stick to veterinary back products and not over the counter stuff like Johnsons, Hartz and Bob Martins. But this is just my opinion as my experience in a vets is rather negative to the stuff as we always got the 'problems' and not the success stories since they wouldn't need the vet!
 
Lice won't be killed by repellants hunny, you need to actually kill them and their eggs first before you use a repellant, although i think personally repellants are a waste of time, they very rarely work.
You can still get louse powder, but you need the knock-down one, not the repellant, Lincoln make one which is widely available, it states on the tin do not use directly on the animal, but, in my humble opinion, if you are powdering their bedding, and rugs etc. they will enevitably get it on them anyway! Failing that, ant powder, Doff are a good cheap product which works, and contains Permethrin. It's cheaper than all the sprays etc. and you can get it anywhere. Dust them, and their bedding/housing, then repeat after four days to make sure you kill any eggs. I used the Johnsons one once, and it didn't work at all.
Or, contraversially, Frontline spray if your vet will allow you to use it as it's not licensed for poultry, that works wonders, fast acting and leaves a residue which will carry on killing for up to 2 months. But, as stated, it's a POM and you'll need a perscription from your vet.
Make sure you treat round the vent, and back of the neck, this is the usual path taken by lice along the body to the eye to drink, and the vent to eat. :-)03

JubesX
 
Hi and thanx to Bertie and the chooks, and to Jubilee, yes it is deff. lice. The active ingredient in the johnsons is permethrin just the same as the Doff ant powder so not a preventative but a killer. I've now found out that the Barrier Louse Powder is indeed a preventitive, didn't tell me that in the shop.

Foxy, thanx, the instuctions read like you just spray it on, doesn't say get it to base of feathers or anything so am I right in thinking it's ok to just spray it on the 'outside' for want of a better discription? as opposed to down near the skin. Hope that's not confusing you.
 
Hi Wendy, I just parted the feathers and a quick squrt to the base of the feathers. I used a puff under each wing, vent (x2) and the back of the neck, I avoided the little preen gland on the lower back.
I applied again a week later to ensure the problem had been sorted, though tbh I didn't find any! :D
 
We've found Barrier Louse Powder very effective at encouraging the lice to get off. Had a big infestation with all and used that for a few weeks and all gone. Then ran into problems with head lice. Johnsons dog flea spray couldn't be used (we used it a few times before on the worst lice cases). Ended up with Frontline spray from the vet. Most responded at 2 sprays per Kg bodyweight but a couple needed 4 sprays per Kg. That's still well below the minimum cat dose at 6 sprays per Kg but I know of someone who had vet administered Frontline spot-on and two hens died. So use Spray carefully and avoid Spot-on in my opinion. Neither versions are licenced for Poultry.
 
Chris, when you said headlice my brain changed track and I immediately thought of your kids and for a few seconds thought you'd been treating them with dog flea spray. I'm still chuckling at my daftness!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll use this spray then and if no luck I'll get some Front Line from our vet.

Thanx all.
 
wendywoggles said:
Chris, when you said headlice my brain changed track and I immediately thought of your kids and for a few seconds thought you'd been treating them with dog flea spray. I'm still chuckling at my daftness!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll use this spray then and if no luck I'll get some Front Line from our vet.

Thanx all.
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wendywoggles said:
Chris, when you said headlice my brain changed track and I immediately thought of your kids and for a few seconds thought you'd been treating them with dog flea spray. I'm still chuckling at my daftness!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll use this spray then and if no luck I'll get some Front Line from our vet.

Thanx all.
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I did the same thing!!! hahah :-)08 :lol: :lol:
 
Bertie & The Chooks said:
wendywoggles said:
Chris, when you said headlice my brain changed track and I immediately thought of your kids and for a few seconds thought you'd been treating them with dog flea spray. I'm still chuckling at my daftness!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll use this spray then and if no luck I'll get some Front Line from our vet.

Thanx all.
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I did the same thing!!! hahah :-)08 :lol: :lol:
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I'm still laughing, best rib shaker I've had in months and it's all down to lice :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
There will be an egg and meat withdrawal period presumably to be advised if Frontline is not licensed for fowls.

I am surprised at the number of products that are sold as preventatives with phrases such as 'helps prevent',
'helps to relieve'.
 
Chuck said:
There will be an egg and meat withdrawal period presumably to be advised if Frontline is not licensed for fowls.

I am surprised at the number of products that are sold as preventatives with phrases such as 'helps prevent',
'helps to relieve'.
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Yes and normally in the small print... :roll:
 
I was advised by the Vet as a precaution 10 days for eggs, but that there is no reason why it should get into the eggs. Didn't ask about meat, but it does say in the instructions not to re-dose until after 28 days for dogs and cats. So I assume it is still in the system up to that point and to repeat treatment before then would result in overdose. So I would say for meat to double that to be sure -56 days. Problem with Frontline is it enters the system and comes out all over the skin, so it isn't a localised product; it affects the whole animal.
 
Chuck said:
There will be an egg and meat withdrawal period presumably to be advised if Frontline is not licensed for fowls.

I am surprised at the number of products that are sold as preventatives with phrases such as 'helps prevent',
'helps to relieve'.
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we had a lady that used to come in the vets with her three children and two cats. The cats had two flea collars each and practically no hair on their necks and she swore up and down that the collars worked and she didn't have fleas in her home, while she was in with the cats and vet getting vaccines one of her little girls came up and showed us all her flea bites all over her legs and arms!!! The following month, the girls had flea collars on their wrists!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :-)10 still makes me laugh thinking about that nutty woman!! :lol: :lol:
 
Frontline spray works differently to the spot-ons Chris, it works as a contact killer, the spot-ons go into the bloodstream, they don't tend to work as well because they act when the parasite sucks blood, not all things that live on birds do that, alot will live on skin and feather debry, so spot-ons don't work as effectively as the spray. I have heard of a few dogs and cats who have had a reaction to both, the carrier for the fipronil in the spray is alcohol, and that is the main cause of a reaction, not actually to the drug fipronil. I suppose with any drug any animal could have a reaction to it, but alcohol is more widly the cause. Our vet asks that we withdraw eggs for 7 days as a precaution, but we carry on eating them, have done for years, with no ill effects, but it's up to the user if they want to withdraw or still eat. It says on the bottle that once dry, people can pet their animals again with no risk. If i used spot-ons, i would withdraw because the drug goes into the blood. The Ivermectin group of drugs, licensed for cattle also works through the bloodstream. Although Harkermectin is licensed for pigeons.
On a personal grumble, i don't know if anyone else feels the same, but don't you think it's about time someone came up with a product designed especially for poultry that actually works!? Then we wouldn't have to resort to using things which aren't licensed for them. It makes me so cross, when we first had an outbreak of NFM four years ago, we spent a fortune trying to find something for chickens, which would rid us of them, nothing worked, I tried, Harkermectin, johnsons mite killer spray,total poultry solutions, Noromectin, and the Barrier range,over the course of about three weeks! Then my horse vet told me she used frontline spray on her silkies and it was great, so she perscribed me some for my birds, i have never used anything else since, the occational young bird with feather mites, (we have thousands of wild birds round here that bring them.) i use Doff on, and in the houses because frontline is too expensive to spray in those! I re-dose every 2 months because we bath our birds for showing, and there's never anything on them. But i do feel that if they bought out a product similar to frontline spray, licensed for poultry which we can get over the counter in the same way we buy our wormers, from chemical licensed suppliers, we'd all be much happier! There's loads more folks keeping poultry in back gardens now as pets or for eggs, to warrant the cost of production and licensing for heavens sake!
End of rant, sorry. :roll:

JubesXX
 
Hi Jubes. Bit confused now as I thought the reason Spray was VPO was because of the danger of overdose, hence the 'by weight' number of sprays dosage. Whereas spot-on isn't VPO because the dose is fixed as one spot -but I've never used it. Still, the important thing is that it works well and I haven't been ill from eating the eggs.
Off to buy the plywood for the new nest box.
 
Owners can choose to eat the eggs of treated chickens but they cannot sell, and shouldn't give away any.
 
You would actually think they should be the other way round wouldn't you? A spray which works by contact killing in theory, would be safer to use than something which works through the bloodstream? But all have a doseage rate by weight on the packet. It can be overdosed in both applications. Either by spraying too much on, or giving too much spot-on for the weight of the animal. I heard a while ago that someone overdosed a bird because everytime they bathed it for a show, they applied the spray, and of course there is no need to do this as it acts for at least 2 months, but they were spraying every week! :roll: Insanity! :-)07

JubesX
 
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