Dislike to greenfrog nestboxes?

Beckyy

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Ever since we changed to a greenfrog coop a few months back the number of eggs we've had has decreased a lot. Our 4 hybrids used to lay 1 a day without fail and we've now dropped to 0-2 on average, 3 the odd day. I put it down to the time of the year but have since discovered they've been laying in other places. They often manage to get over our fence into the neighbours garden and leave me an egg hunt. I found 9 there the other week, 8 in a cat box I had in the garden and 6 today in neighbours with 2 more desperately trying to get over as soon as they'd had breakfast.

Their previous coop had subborn red mite, hence the new one, but they never slowed down laying despite it. The current house is pressure-washed and smite-d every week so I can't see if being a cleanliness problem.

Any advice or tips please?

Hoping to get a new fence in the near future but won't be until next year.
 
Hi Becky.
From my own experience of a number of coops, and from using a Green Frog myself for svarla years now, there nothing intrinsically wrong with G.F. Nestboxes. They're the right height, ie lower than the perches, and a comfortable size. My birds use them happily. However, I think the problems you're having wi thhens laying away are more likely due to management in other ways. And, of course, as you say, egg production does naturally go down anyway once the birds get older after their first laying season, and also get so much less light and have to deal with the demands of moulting as well.
Laying in other hidden places is of course natural for hens, and I expect it's also a learned behaviour, once one starts doing it the others copy, if they get the chance. So probably you have one adventurous individual who has shown the others how to do it, rather like the way they teach each other egg eating if one gets the habit. I expect they would use the nestboxes in the usual way if they were confined to a secure run. I would also be concerned about the danger to your flock from predators such as foxes, which are everywhere nowadays and if the hens can get out of your garden, it would be no trouble for a fox to get in and pick them off. We've had several sad stories in here of devastating damage from foxes, who kill or badly injure all the flock at one go, they don't just pick off one bird. So, from the point of view of their safety as well as their re-education into using nestboxes, it will be good once you can get that run made secure for them. I expect the neighbours may be quite glad as we'll, as hens can do a lot of damage to a garden.

The other aspect is that I wonder what happens inside the coop during the week, in between cleaning it out with a pressure washer? I find that if I put a good layer of absorbent bedding in the base of my Green Frog, such as Aubiose, or several layers of newspaper, it only takes a couple of minutes per day to remove the overnight droppings and add them to the compost heap. In winter when the birds are in there for 15+ hours, there's a lot of poo but it's very easy to remove by scooping into a bucket, and this keeps the coop clean and fresh without the need for regular or frequent pressure washing, especially in winter, and is much less trouble as well. When necessary (not very often) I spray the inside of the empty coop with Poultry Shield and then just wash it down with a bucket of hot water, dry it off with an old towel, and then sprinkle Redmite powder before replacing clean bedding. I just wonder whether your birds don't actually like the pressure washing, it is noisy and scary, and may make the surrounding area wet and muddy as well. If you do leave the poo to pile up for more than a day, it will cause ammonia fumes which are unpleasant for the birds overnight, and may put them off going in there during the day.
 
Thanks for the reply Marigold! I think you're very much right in that it's become a learned behaviour now.

Our neighbour doesn't use their garden and it's quite overgrown, hen heaven to be honest, and they don't mind the girls going over (although I do!)

I normally pressure wash once a week, use smite then diatom powder. I use wood shavings in the coop and 'poo-pick' during the week. I might ease off with the pressure washing over the winter, I've just been a little paranoid after our red mite infestation.

We did have a separate run around their old house, but it wasn't very practical. Even with suitable space, they were getting frustrated when they didn't have the entire garden to roam around all the time and the ground got churned up very quickly. Whilst a good size our garden isnt large enough to constantly rotate an area large enough for them to be totally enclosed in (IMO). Once 5th hen came along we decided to let them have free-range of the garden all the time. Foxes aren't a particular problem where we are (although I know they are a problem everywhere to a certain extent). We are more in the centre of the village with a lot of people around, and there are far easier pickings elsewhere with so many local forests, I've never seen or heard of anyone having fox trouble locally. I will look into if there's a way we could confine them a little more though.
 
Hi Beckyy, great to have a such an accommodating neighbour - a good way of increasing range space for your girls. I think you never know about foxes, I do hope you're right. I guess the joys of free ranging are wonderful for the hens but it does have its costs, as you've found out. You obviously keep your birds in exemplary conditions, and as you say, it would be OK to ease up a bit on the pressure washing in the winter when Redmite is not likely. Had you thought of dosing them with Red Stop in their drinking water, next Soring onwards? This is an organically approved product, you add a few drops to a drinker of water and it makes the hens blood taste nasty to the redmite so they can't feed and die.
 
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