Buying new hens advice

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Now that Miss Muffet and SIndy are gone and I don't get eggs any more (not sure why Mabel stopped laying several months ago), that I do need to get 2 more. I have sourced a breeder who has some POL's. She has said that I can collect two, but they will already be in a cardboard carrier box, so I won't be able to see them first and choose, which I am not sure I am happy about. Am I being too particular? I just like to see what I am buying before I pay and select for personality and how they look.

I know we are in peculiar times with covid, but wearing a mask and gloves and social distancing space should be okay, surely?

Please let me know what you think. :-)19 Would you buy hens "blind"?
 
I don't think I'd be too happy either. Could you get her to send you some images first? I don't know what other options you might have. I didn't choose ours - I just ordered them and the man from Skye brought them. Everything fine, though and he's a helpful supplier so I could have contacted him if I was not happy. That was before covid, though.
 
Hi Diane. The lady has a lovely website with photos, but they are of adult birds, not the actual ones. She doesn't seem very forthcoming on email, unless she's a very busy lady. I don't doubt they are quality hens, but I prefer to choose myself, by their personality. I don't want bossy birds.? I loved my bluebell, so I'm going to get another one and as she doesn't have a gold speckeldy I'm thinking of Amber star hybrid, hoping its a docile type. Either that or a grey speckledy. It's Fallows Poultry, Notts.
 
Here we are then.

Sensible advice for new keepers on the website. It’s normal to show stock photos of adult birds on that sort of site. The supplier will have bought them in from a bigger commercial breeder of hybrids and will be offering them from sale from there. This is good in that the birds should have gone through the full vaccination programme, which would be less likely if she knew each bird individually, having home reared them. Prices are a bit strange in that theres quite a wide variation.
I agree that normally you would expect to choose, handle and examine pullets before purchase, check bums and eyes etc at least. You would also prefer to see the conditions they were being kept in.
But I also see that, with Covid, a seller would prefer to minimise the contact involved in passing the birds back and forth to buyers, even if masked. I notice she hasn’t got a page on her website about COVID precautions, which is odd nowadays. When I bought my new pullets a few weeks ago, it felt strange, ticking the breeds I wanted, adding them to my cart, and paying for them online, and them making a timed appointment to collect them. But I knew that, back in March, my seller had contended with unexpected, long queues of cars and people rushing to buy hens in a panic before lockdown, so the new methods were just intended to keep everyone safe, including her young family as they live on the premises. As I’d bought from her before I wasn’t worried about seeing the conditions in the runs, and as it’s normal for any seller to catch the birds for you, not easy in a big flock of nervous pullets, it felt OK for her to go into the barn and return with the next bird to show me. I didn’t handle them but she showed them to me and then when I was happy she put them in the box. On this occasion, I didn’t ask to handle them but I have no reason to suppose she would have refused. I would not have been happy if I had just been presented with a bird in a box which I hadn’t seen, and I can’t think this is what she means as it’s normal for a buyer to bring their own boxes and for the seller to charge extra if the buyer needs a box as well as a bird. Did she say this in an email, as there’s nothing about it on the website? I was as keen as my seller was to minimise contact but as I said, I had bought healthy birds from her before anyway. Here’s the link to where I got mine, which is a small family business. I think this is reassuring for both buyer and seller at the moment. https://www.staghillfarm.co.uk/home/Chickens-c35130032
Is this the only seller of pol pullets within reasonable driving distance at present? How far are you prepared to travel, for birds that are going to be part of your lives for several years? Personally, I would prefer to have a choice beyond this seller, can you do more research? It may be that she’s just not very good at building a website as it’s so basic, but I would want more detail on how she’s going to manage the handover, and I would want to see where the birds were being kept. Also, you need to enquire how many weeks old each bird is. They should be coming into lay by now at the latest so if they’re not at least 23-24 weeks old with red combs they probably won’t lay until the new year.
I put chickens for sale Notts into Google and lots came up in the Fallows Poultry area.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=chickens+for+sale+Notts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#istate=lrl:mlt&trex=m_r:1,m_t:gwp,rc_q:chickens%2520for%2520sale%2520Notts,rc_ui:2,ru_gwp:0%252C6,ru_q:chickens%2520for%2520sale%2520Notts,trex_id:UpXfbb

I don’t think you can tell the personality of any particular pullet when you go along to choose from a big flock of untamed youngsters, that emerges in time when they settle in, but if you choose a tame breed like a ranger or an Amber you should be OK. Not a leghorn, in your setup! And you were lucky with your bluebell - they are often shy and nervous birds compared with some breeds.
And of course, I expect you’ll need to sort out your security problems first, in any case?
 
Hi Marigold, always great advice.

My email said: We are operating a collection only system. So if you could choose the breeds you would like we will get them boxed up for you. We provide chicken boxes which hold up to 3 birds for £2 each.

From this it appears that I won't see my hen until I open the box! She asks me to choose the breeds before I arrive. I did google, but most don't have POL's. It's not that I don't want to travel far, I don't want the hens having to travel too far. 45 mins is max I think.

OH has got the batons to make a framework, he started it already, cementing them in, but I am not happy with it. :-( The run is on a bit of a slope, so
the height isn't the same and the fence is only 6 foot. He's 6 foot 3 but I would be OK. It's not going to be an easy job. Might have to have a serious think about alternatives. Whatever, the whole run cannot be covered. Its 16 foot square or thereabouts. Going to get some chicken wire tomorrow and other bits and bobs. Might buy a mannequin and sit it in a chair as a scarecrow. ;-)
 
16 ft square is massive for 4 hens! 16ft = 4.8 metres, so area = 23sq. metres, enough for at least 12 hens. I know we say people never think their run is too big, but maybe there are exceptions, especially if you try to cover the top somehow.
Had you considered making a smaller inner run area, roofed, safe, around 8 sq. metres, maybe 2 x 4m or whatever would make it easiest to fit roofing panels without needing to cut them? Or even buying a kit for a run of similar size which could go inside your present enclosure? Then you could let the birds out into the bigger space during the day when someone was there, and they would be safe and happy in the secure run at night and at other times when nobody was in? As you prefer placid breeds as pets, they will be entirely happy in a run which gives them 2sq.m each, especially if they can venture outside sometimes.
This sort of thing, maybe? https://gardenlifedirect.co.uk/product/chicken-run-2m-x-6m-6ft-x-20ft/
What is the chicken wire for? It’s OK for keeping birds in, but won’t keep predators out. To make a run secure you really do need weldmesh. Hills of Devon is a good online supplier.
 
Before that lovely big tree fell, it was such a great run. OH since made a very large covered dustbath. Its huge, but they can shelter from sun, wind and rain and hide. This run has been great for 18 months or so, just this chance predator. I've been reading up on deterrents for hawks etc. Quite interesting. I am still going to cover the whole fence panels in galvanised mesh, just incase anything thinks it can climb through. Yes, it is HUGE to try and cover, OH started it, but I think he was overwhelmed by it all. My idea was to do just half, but the heights are different. I'm still thinking how it can be done. First job tomorrow is to move the feeder from the open plan area, to a hidden area, so they can't be seen eating.
Just going to look at those links now, thanks again :-)
 
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