Average time to introduce new hens

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We are having a nightmare introducing two pullets to our existing group of three girls we got last year.
The three are a tight group and are viciously attacking newbies when put together.
We introduced at night.
Have kept separated by wire all week.
Have put them together for periods.
They are put in to sleep together.
The newbies are fairly traumatised.
Today I have taken major bully and put her with 2 newbies in our garden. They are staying away from each other no fighting.
The forum seems to show introduction times from a day to 6 weeks. Can anyone help with useful techniques or guidance of time. I don't have a separate coop.
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Unfortunately there are no definites in determining how long it will take for birds to settle down together. Some will fit in within hours, others may never be accepted, so it's a case of persevering with your existing methods of new bird introductions, and managing the situation so that birds don't get to stressed or suffer to much damage in the process.
I think it's often harder trying to introduce one or two birds to a small flock, than to a bigger group. Where there are larger numbers of birds involved, it seems the degree of aggression is often less intense, and is diffused and directed more evenly and with less conviction, rather than the relentless and savage persecution meted out upon one or two new individuals by an existing few hens.
However, we can't all keep vast numbers of chickens! so back to the situation in hand! It seems you have tried all the usual methods of integrating the new birds, but I would suggest you continue to persevere with these methods. One old trick that maybe worth trying is to rub the birds against each other at roosting time to ' swap' scents, and maybe spray a little vinegar on their plumage, and mix up the order in which they roost on their perches. It used to be said that by mixing the scents of the birds, and their usual order of roosting, or by adding a new and strong scent to the group,that this may distract and confuse the established order sufficiently to let the new birds settle in!
Another method practiced by a Veterinary Nurse acquaintance of mine is to box the group up together and take them for a drive!! Yes! it seems crazy, but she maintains the minor stresses of handling, boxing and then being out of their environment and taken on a journey, inhibits the aggressive behaviour of the established birds! Distraction tactics once again!
Sometimes the introduction of a cockerel ( if this is an option for you?) can help. A newly introduced male will initially draw the aggression from the head female, they will fight, usually briefly and not seriously, and as long as the male is virile and firing on all cylinders he will VERY quickly put the bossy hen in her place and knock her confidence, so she will have less of an appetite for attacking anyone else! hopefully!
 
Are the newbies young pullets, I wonder, Tweak? This may be a factor, if they're not yet laying, as they will give off immaturity signals and be more submissive and less confident and able to stand up for themselves. If they are less than 20 weeks and still growing, they will be helped if you can keep them apart until they are more mature. Don't worry if you haven't got a proper coop, you can improvise a waterproof box with some comfortable bedding for them to sleep in, and perches are not essential at that age and for a short time. I think people usually keep them apart for quarantine reasons as much as to let young stock grow on a bit, and also perhaps to give them a course of flubenvet wormer before they go into the flock, as this takes a week anyway and gets them off to a good start in a new environment healthwise. So this quarantine factor probably accounts for the variation in times you've been quoted, as some people just trust to luck and don't do this, whilst others give up to a month in some cases where the place the birds came from might not have been ideal (eg a poultry auction.)
I've found it helps to get them used to seeing each other through the wire, as you have done, and also putting vinegar on all the hens' feathers before moving the newbies in to the coop after they've all gone to sleep, as Lordcluck suggests. then I expect you've tried putting out several feeders and drinkers, also scattering food on the ground helps as the old hens can't get everywhere at once and the young ones get to feed better. I know this isn't normally good practice but it does help integration for a day or two. I also keep a careful eye on them, and give the youngsters 'time out' for an hour or so during the first day or two, behind a netting barrier, to rest, feed and recover, before putting them back when I'm about to feed the older hens some scattered treats eg a handful or two of mixed corn. Providing perches which are low enough for the youngsters to fly up to, but too high for the old hens to bother about, also helps as a refuge, as does sufficient space in the run for them to get away, and places for them to hide behind, eg a temporary screen across a part of the area or a box or two. It's a distressing time, isn't it, but all new girls get a run around and the thing to do is keep watch, let them get on with it unless someone is actually being badly bullied (ie held down and head pecked repeatedly) or actually injured, and if it's bad, make sure they've had a few sessions of time apart to feed and drink and rest now and then in the first day or so. Space is very important - how big is your run I wonder? They do need a minimum of 2 sq.metres each, more is better to reduce aggression problems.
 
Great advice thanks. I will give your suggestions a go and let you
Know what transpires. I do think that the age of the new ones is a problem one bird is a good size but the other small.
They have a 5sq mtr run but we let the use the whole garden as well. Whilst in the main garden they are just seperating into groups so not helping them to get used to each other.
 
Sorry forgot to say I don't know exact age but they are pullets.
 
Yes I can see that shutting 5 hens up in a 5 sq. metre run could cause problems as they are too close together for the young ones to get away when attacked, and the old hens may feel threatened by having their individual space reduced by nearly half. If you can let them out in the garden together that's great, integration will be going on even if they are feeding separately as they will all be aware of each other and not feel threatened, and will have the benefit of food variety etc. It will probably be a long time before they are relaxed about being shut up together in the small run, ideally it would be at least twice the size, though I expect it was OK for the original 3 if they started off there together as pullets. If you don't always want them roaming the garden, and want to keep them a bit closer but not so pressured for space, is it possible to put some chicken netting or similar round the outside of the run, leaving the doorway open, so the range of the run is increased to a size they might find tolerable? then you could perhaps just shut the old hens in the run and leave the new ones outside with food and water for an hour, if you felt a bit of 'time out' would help them.
 
I agree with marigold about the space. 2 squares metres is just sufficient each. If you doubled the run size when they were added it would seem the same size to the oldies so no confinement pressure. The pullets are obviously rather young. I don't add new hens (always in pairs unless you have a spare run and buckets of patience) until they are laying. They are then on the same feed, layers pellets not rearer/ growers and are fully developed and strong enough to fight back. Add an extra feeder and drinker as well because they are the friction spots.
 
Cool thanks. We have added extra feeder and water. I had got the run size wrong it is in fact 9 sq mtrs but still small. Today went well in the garden. I added all older birds into the garden one by one and they co-existed in there two groups quite happily.
They have all been put in together tonight with a light coating of vinegar.
I will try the same kind of stuff tomorrow and see how we get on.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
 
Recently had to introduce one adult to my 7. I have a quarantine run and coop that I put alongside and put one of the others in with it. 2 weeks later I ran them together and fighting all day.

Waited till the following weekend after separating again and I put the new one in with the 3 docile old girls.The other 4 were put in the quarantine run. Late afternoon and I put 2 of the old girls back in the main run and at night I let the other 2 back. Bit of bickering and that is still carrying on but NO fighting.
 
The 'divide and conquer' or 'disorientation' system we call it Stapfam. We've mixed groups of birds before in a similar way. Move the newbies into the coop and run and move the oldies out of that into a temporary run and coop alongside. The territorial issues have disappeared when in a couple of days they are all put together, as they are now all disorientated.
 
After a few weeks we seem to be making progress. Today the girls are in the run together and not pecking too much.
 
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