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Climate emergency

Post by Marigold » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:15 pm

I'd been wondering whether to post this in the Nature Notes thread, but decided it needs a thread to itself, for our observations.
For a start, see https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... in-england
and the embedded link in the reader's letter.
For years I've been planting for a dry garden on our chalky soil, in the expectation of drought in July onwards, but already this year it's so dry I've had to top up the pond with tap water and keep watering new plantings. Weather presenters (and tabloid front pages) that hail the 'good news' of hot, sunny conditions are one of my main annoyances as well. Don't they realise we are in a climate emergency?
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Hen-Gen » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:55 pm

Does sound serious though whether it’s due to climate change or just a short term variation has yet to be established.
We have another annoyance with the weather forecasts. As in “temperatures will range from 9C in the north of Scotland to 20C in the south east” even though there’s a 7C over us. I didn’t realise we’d ceded from the UK!
Still, better than Ch 5 news where the map ends at Orkney and we don’t even exist.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Marigold » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:31 pm

Hen-Gen wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:55 pm
Does sound serious though whether it’s due to climate change or just a short term variation has yet to be established.
Sorry, HenGen - only too well established, I'm afraid. Just Google 'best evidence for climate change' and numerous reputable reports will come up.
eg https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... ming-real/
or https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
or https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/10-myths ... ate-change

- just a few.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Hen-Gen » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:40 pm

Sorry. I wasn’t very clear. I absolutely do believe in climate change and that it is man made. What I meant to say was that we have to be careful not to attribute every variation to this.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by bigyetiman » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:33 am

Even more worrying Hen- Gen on a programme the other day they stated the most northerly part of UK is the Orkney's, so where have you drifted off to ?
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Post by LadyA » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:39 am

I was just remarking to someone on FB that in the 20 years I've been in this house, the storms we get every year have gotten noticeably stronger and more frequent than they used to be. It can get quite nerve wracking here at times. We were talking about solar panels on the roof, and while I'd love to have solar power, I'd be very nervous of anything attached to my roof, in some of the storms we get here now!
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Marigold » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Our daughter is an active member of Extinction Rebellion, goes all over Dorset and further afield giving public talks to very large numbers of people on the need to understand and act on the reality of climate change. The Bridport group have managed to get their local Town and County Councils to declare a Climate emergency, which will entail a review of all their environmental and other relevant policies, with the aim of going carbon-neutral by 2025. O(ver 90 local and area Councils have already done this. I'm hoping to get an XR group going in my home town, but it's uphill work ATM. However, our Town Council has my latest letter about taking action on their agenda for the next meeting.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Hen-Gen » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:33 pm

Excellent news Marigold. Lots of small changes add up. It’s quite hard to make decisions about ones own life too. What one is happy to give up and what would be so debilitating that one is loath to surrender.
I’m happy not to own a car or fly. But I would be reluctant to stop breeding ruminant animals.
The worst thing would be if we were terrorised by the vegan thought police.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by Marigold » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:36 pm

Yes I agree with you, ultimately you can only be responsible for how you live your own life, and globally, small changes in individual lifestyles must be helpful. But I do also see the sense in the way XR and other environmental groups are saying that the problem is bigger, and more urgent, than just personal lifestyle changes, and governments need to prioritise environmental legislation above the constant race for economic growth. Fat chance of that happening, though, I'm afraid - I just want to be able to tell my grandchildren that I did my best to improve things for them.
We are a far-flung group of friends, on here, and Just thought it would be interesting to share observations and experiences of environmental changes in our own areas, compared with what things were like a few years ago. When we came here to Whitchurch, Hampshire, in 1970, for instance, the fields at the bottom of the garden were full of nesting skylarks, singing their hearts out in the sunshine, and hundreds of lapwings, which would fly around with their eerie cries at dusk. All gone now, down to crop spraying during their ground-nesting breeding season. In the 1970s and 80s, husband recorded many species of birds on the water meadow adjoining the river Test here, which is an SSSI- hardly any birds left nowadays. Little Owls have nested in one old tree for many years - not seen in the last two seasons. Last week, had a depressing walk past glorious hawthorn and elder hedges in full flower - with no bees. Actual climate changes are being driven faster by local interference with the whole environmental ecosystem, resulting in depleted soil, lack of pollinating insects, and birds starving because there are so few larvae and invertebrates to feed their chicks. Or because the seasons have got out of synch, so that a particular species of caterpillar isn't available when needed because it has hatched too early in 'unnatural' Spring warmth.
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Re: Climate emergency

Post by LadyA » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:43 pm

Well, there's also hedge cutting in late Spring/early Summer, Marigold, when birds are nesting. It's illegal here from mid February to I think August. But I saw kilometers of hedges here that were cut end of March to mid April. I actually ended up tearful one day driving a narrow country road where the hedge had obviously been cut that day, when I saw a pair of blackbirds sitting forelornly on a gatepost beside a decimated hedgerow. Just broke my heart.

As regards improving things, it seems here that everyone wants things done in a more "green" way, but ......not in their back yard! Modern, clean burning incinerators to dispose of waste and generate energy/heat? No, not here. Somewhere "more suitable" . Wind Farms? Yes. Just not here.. Solar farms? No.They would spoil the views.

When we moved here, every Summer, we could hear loads of curlews in the evenings. Haven't heard a curlew for several years. And we got very strong winds in Spring and again in Autumn. Now, we can get storms almost anytime. As I type, there's a wind howling outside that almost took me off my feet when I went to shut the chickens into the run.
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