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Am I missing something...?

Post by Tweetypie » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 pm

I am a member of a neighbourhood group, where people can ask for recommendations, sell stuff, etc.

I saw this message tonight and thought to myself WHY ??? Is it me, or is there a point to having a dog and a new puppy and asking someone else to look after it and take it for a walk? 🤔🙄
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Post by Margaid » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:55 am

Well at least they intend not to leave the poor thing alone all day and probably annoying the neighbours by barking.
Personally I think households where everyone is out all day and the dog left at home shouldn't have dogs ...
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Post by MrsBiscuit » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:13 am

We have recently been refused the adoption of a couple of cats belonging to the late mother of a friend of ours, on the grounds that we would let the cats outside. The cats had previously been indoor/outdoor cats, our friend is the lady's son and he wanted us to have them, but the niece, who is currently looking after them, works at a cat rescue place and is convinced that harm will befall them - poisoning/falling down a well/running off/being attacked by dogs being some of the potential hazards cited. My take is that there is no accounting for people, we are all so different!
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Post by Hen-Gen » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:11 am

Yes, makes my blood boil. Dogs, cats, chickens - why have them if you can’t look after them. And as for farm stock don’t get me started.
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Post by Marigold » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:44 am

We always had a dog when I was growing up, because someone in the family was always home, but as a working adult I waited many years, until literally the day after we retired, before getting one. I wouldn't have dreamed of leaving a dog on its own all day, bored and untrained, especially a puppy. Getting a puppy is similar to having a baby; for at least the first year it demands a lot of time and training, consistently through the day. The end result should be a happy, well-mannered dog you can take anywhere, but unfortunately, many people give up on their dog when it reaches adolescence at around 6 months and becomes an untrained pain in the bum. Then it ends up in rescue.
Cockapoos are very fashionable at the moment, and well-bred ones are very intelligent, with lovely temperaments, but EXTREMELY active. Judging by the two cockapoos my daughter has, to leave them alone all day even with a brief walk from a dog sitter, would be a recipe for disaster. A good breeder, like the one we got our Norfolk Terrier from, would grill prospective puppy buyers about their circumstances and would refuse to sell to a home where the puppy would be regularly left alone for any length of time.
Tweetiepie, even at the risk of being unpopular, please post a reply on your group page, advising them to think again about inflicting this on themselves, as well as on the dog. A puppy isn't a trendy toy!
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Post by bigyetiman » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:29 pm

It never ceases to amaze me what people do. Friends of ours got a dog because their extremely spoilt child wanted one and he wanted a Border Collie in a town house with a postage stamp sized garden, we pointed out that as highly intelligent creatures and working dogs they need lots of exercise and stimulation, their answer was "it will adapt" Guess what it didn't and had to be re homed eventually after complaints from the neighbours about it barking and escaping.
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Post by Marigold » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:00 pm

Yes, people see Border Collies doing wonderful things on TV and think this will happen automatically if they buy one, not realising the many hours of ongoing experienced work and training necessary to keep the dog happy and stimulated. Cockerpoos are also a cross between two highly active and intelligent working breeds - Poodles are often listed as one of the most intelligent and receptive dogs, second only to Border Collies, and Cocker Spaniels are also bred to enjoy training and working in the field. A first-time dog owner who thinks it's OK to leave a cockerpoo puppy (or any puppy) home all day, or in the care of a dog walker, is in for a shock, at the puppy's expense. It's not just the training that the puppy will miss out on, but the bonding that comes from working with one person during the time when, like a baby, the dog's brain is developing and learning from all its new experiences.
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Post by Tweetypie » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:22 pm

Couldn't agree more with all of you.
I was so angry when I saw the message. These people have dogs as fashion accessories, to boast about on social media etc. I was so tempted to respond with my thoughts! Any genuine breeder would surely check out the home and ask relevant questions, before selling the puppies, but I guess pound notes speak volumes for unscrupulous breeders these days. 😡
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Post by Hen-Gen » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:18 am

Indeed tweetiepie.
Had my blue merle sheepdog bitch not decided to remain chaste I was all set to breed a litter of Schnaucolls but I would definitely have been scrupulous about placing them.
In my view, fresh subject, a lot of breeds have been so ruined by breeding for the show ring rather than for good health that a bit of judicious interbreed mating would be a good thing. Who couldn’t love a Schnaucoll!
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Post by Marigold » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:22 am

i definitely agree about the effect of breeding for the show ring, and for reasons of 'fashion,' in many breeds, particularly brachycephalic dogs such as pugs and french bulldogs. Ignorant people think they're cute, buy one because some celebrity has one, and then find out they're landed with a dog that needs expensive surgery and lifelong care because the poor thing can't breathe. Also there's the hips problem in bigger dogs, especially in German Shepherds - a few years ago a GS won Best in Show at Crufts, despite (or because of) having low-sloping hips which would cause arthritic breakdown in him and his expensive progeny. Other breeds, such as Cavaliers, have inherent and painful problems because they're often bred with flat faces and skulls which are too small to contain their brains, resulting in Syringomyelia, a fatal brain inflammation condition.
The reason we are lucky enough to have Norfolk Terriers is because, along with their close cousins Norwich terriers, they are bred by a small group of enthusiasts for this healthy, long-lived breed, which has no inherent genetic illness in its makeup and has a breed standard which emphasises kind temperament, hardiness, independence and an active and healthy confirmation. They are bred in small numbers, partly because litter sizes are usually only 2-4 in this little dog, but also because the breeders are not in it for profit but for personal enjoyment. It's actually quite hard to get your first Norfolk as demand always outstrips supply and all the registered breeders are very particular about where puppies end up. Each time we we got three, over the past 22 years, the agreement was that if our circumstances changed at any point in the dog's life, he or she would be returned to the breeder, not given to a rescue, and that we wouldn't breed from the dog without permission. If we did so, the puppies would in any case not be eligible for Kennel Club registration. Consequently, you never see purebred Norfolks in rescue, and though I'm sure there are some delightful Norfolk crossbreds out there, so far they've escaped the attention of the bandwagonners who just breed any two dogs and call it a new breed. Don't get me wrong, I think responsible crossbreeding is often a good thing, when somebody like HenGen does it with two suitable dogs on a small scale, not for profit - the trouble starts when puppy farmers and backyard breeders let standards slip, and then the dogs, puppies, and ignorant new owners all suffer down the line.
sorry, folks - rant over - i just feel so strongly about the need for good-enough puppies to end up in good-enough homes!
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