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Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:25 am

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I,ve noticed one of my silkies has been spending quite a bit of time on her own these last two days and just sitting a lot, which is unusual. She was eating/drinking normally yesterday, although was last one in for her afternoon treats. When I checked her yesterday, she had a full crop. She didnt come out the coop this morning, so I went in to look at her. She's not attempting to get away from me, and just sitting, with slightly splayed wings. Ive noticed her bum is a little dirty, so will be bringing her up to the house to soak and clean her bum, and also to thoroughly check her over. I dont know if she layed yesterday, as 3 eggs had been laid before they were let out. I feel something is wrong but not sure what. On checking his this morning her crop is empty, but she is not attempting to eat or drink. Can anyone offer advice please as im quite worried about her now
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:00 am

Quick update .... Ive brought her up to the house and bathed her bum area and checked the vent. She sat and let me blow dry her, her eyes appear bright, no discharge etc from the nose. Checked for mites and lice but found nothing. She doesnt feel under weight at all. Ive put her back in the pen where she had a very small drink, then went back to sitting on the floor. HELP as I know she's not well but just cant pinpoint anything, and the other birds definitely know she's unwell too. Im going to sit in the pen for a while, and just see if theres anything else I might have missed
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by chrismahon » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:23 am

Did she have a full crop this morning Hip Chick? It should be empty. When was she last wormed with Flubenvet? At the moment the important thing is she drinks- food isn't important and is best avoided until we have an idea of the problem.
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:41 am

Hi Chrismahon, her crop is empty this morning. Ive checked with the breeder re worming, and he says they definitely wont have worms, and not to worm them until around November. I will try to syringe some water into her, as she,s just sat on the pen floor. Im wondering if she's egg bound, as she occasionally looks like she is trying to lay with tail high up and body movement like she's pushing. Then she'll hunch back down again. I have oiled the vent area just in case, but dont really want to insert any fingers.
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:21 am

Managed (finally) to upload a poo pic, though its loaded above instead of as a reply to the others. Its not looking very good tho. She wont come out of the pen,and is just sitting hunched on the floor. Ive managed to syringe a little water into her, but not as much as i'd like
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:40 am

Ok further update is she's occasionally flicking her head like she's got flies buzzing around her. Also very heavy footed and slow when walking. Ive just managed to get her to drink from the water feeder herself, and also booked her into the vets this evening. Unfortunately tho my vet doesnt specialise in poultry, and the nearest is a fair distance away from me. Looking at the poo picture, im thinking she will need antibiotics. None of the other chickens are showing any signs of being ill. Sorry for the rambling post, I,m just struggling to work out whats wrong
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by Marigold » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:30 pm

I'm sorry it's so worrying for you, hip chick. Her crop sounds OK, as if food is passing through, which is good. It sounds like some kind of intestinal blockage, maybe egg bound, possibly an infection, or peritonitis though this is unusual in a young bird. Its good that she can drink for herself, and so long as she is seen doing this, there will be no need to syringe her, as this can be dangerous.
I would venture to disagree with the breeder about their worm count. All chickens have worms to some extent, although regular worming with flubenvet keeps them at a low enough level not to interfere with their health. Unless he had done a worm sample test on each and every bird immediately prior to sale, he has no grounds for saying they don't have worms. I routinely worm any new point of lay pullets I buy, during their two-week quarantine period, so they are not bringing in worms from a different environment. I would advise you to worm your other pullets with Flubenvet, and mention the possibility of worms to the vet as it sounds as if she's never been done. I don't suppose she has a massive worm burden, but any worms will pull a chicken down, reduce their ability to digest food and lay well, affect their immune system and may complicate other health problems.
This section about intestinal problems on Poultrykeeper may help; https://poultrykeeper.com/digestive-system-problems/

It's often very difficult to diagnose internal problems in chickens, as their intestines are so different from ours, so as you vet isn't an expert, he or she may probably resort to a broad-spectrum antibiotic such as Baytril. This may or may not help, and would mean that you could never safely eat her eggs again afterwards because of the risk to your own health of developing antibiotic resistance. It's a hard call, when an animal is a pet, but please read the thread at the top of the Chickens Health section, 'Is your antibiotic really necessary?' so you are informed in your choices. You'll see that quite a few of us have decided that antibiotics are not only ineffective for many complaints in chickens, but in themselves to be avoided for the wider good. If she seems on a downward spiral, it's often kindest to provide the hen with peace and quiet, checking regularly, and giving her body the chance to heal itself if this is possible. Quite often they do perk up when given a quiet rest. If after a day or two she seems to be in pain and isn't getting better, then a peaceful way out is to have her PTS by the vet if you aren't able to do this yourself.
Good luck, and do let us know how she gets on.
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by hip chick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:50 pm

I managed to find a poultry vet closer to home and have just come back. TBH im non the wiser, as she laid an egg in the box when I was transporting her. The vet thoroughly checked her over and said all seems to be fine, even her chest. They have given her an antibiotic called Tylan and said to keep her seperate from the rest of the flock. Ive managed to get her to eat some fresh melon and raspberries, which at least gets some fluids into her. I never thought about the antbiotic situation Marigold, so that has given me food for thought also. Her poops as still sloppy and extremely smelly, so I think it is something going on inside. I will just have to monitor her and hope that she pulls through and is feeling a bit better tomorrow. I do have some Flubenvet but held off due to the advice from the breeder, so I will start them all on that tomorrow too. She is trying to eat, but it seems standing is a struggle, so ive put her food on ground level,
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by Marigold » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:06 pm

I'm glad she laid the egg, at least that rules out egg binding, and if her chest has been checked and is clear, that's another problem less to worry about. I would hold off on treating her with Flubenvet at the moment, as in order to take a full dose she will have to be back to a normal appetite and eating properly. I would leave all the treatment until the poorly one is better and back with them and then do them all together. As it takes a week when they can only be given treated pellets, its a nuisance to have to do them in two batches, and i don't suppose its too urgent to do the others.

I couldn't give you any advice on whether to use the Tylan at this stage. It's really an individual choice, whether or not to give antibiotics to chickens, and if you know about the issues it's up to you. Remember, though, that it may be difficult to decide which eggs are hers, once she's back with the others, as it would not be a good idea to eat them for a very long time, if at all. If you do decide to try it, you should probably use it straight away, since it's probably not a good idea to worm her until she's eating well, as I said before. Also, mixing two therapies might confuse the results and diagnosis.

I would try making a lovely tempting high-protein mix of some pellets mixed with sunflower seeds, mealworms and some salt-free scrambled or mashed boiled egg, with maybe some bits of grapes and melon etc. Make it nicely damp with warm water and see if she likes it. I've found this sort of thing is quite diagnostic! But don't worry if she doesn't eat, just try to keep her hydrated, as you are doing.
She doesn't sound too bad at the moment, from what you say. Let's hope that some rest and TLC will help her through this nasty bug, whatever it is.
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Re: Poorly chuck

Post by rick » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:15 pm

I hope she gets better soon hip chick. Being wobbly on her feet is not good but in all other respects, drinking, laying an egg (a very sick bird wouldn't be able to lay an egg) etc, and if she can be persuaded to eat something, chickens have wonderful powers to mend! If she's started the course of Tylan she must finish it - even if it seems to be missing the mark. To start and then stop would be the worst thing to do as any target pathogens would then survive be immune. Take any unused antibiotic back to the vet for disposal. I think a couple of months after a course would be plenty long enough to continue egg withdrawal, personally but, obviously, breeding chickens should never have antibiotics as natural strength and resistance is the goal.
All of mine are a bit runny at the moment as its hot and they are drinking a lot of water. The yellow, smelly content is probably cecal and that makes me wonder about worms - cecal worms and threadworms can be quite damaging in small numbers (and unlike roundworm are fairly uncommon so can become a problem 'out of the blue.'). If you have milligram scales you can flubenvet dose unusual food for one bird - 0.3g per 100g.
Its so often guesswork and just down to TLC, observation, crossed fingers and time!
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