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MrsTweedy

Puffed up quiet chicken not laying

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I have one chicken (Nigella, don't laugh) the black one in the pic who suddenly looks poorly, looks puffed up, double the size of her companion Fanny, the white one. Her red comb is pale pink, looks brighter in pic but def pale. There has been a few runny eggs laid and one came out just the soft shell of the egg. Her poo looked like it had blood in it and looks quite yellow not like her friends, also see in pic on the right hand side.
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I'm new to chickens got them 6 months ago, young ones, had 3 and Delia died within 2 days (probably trauma at point of lay) although she did have runny nose, bubbles etc and think it could have been a respiratory disease.

Have been feeding pellets and water with Citricidal in it, haven't done the garlic this month but will try that too now.

Any ideas, it's like a needle in a haystack trying to work out what's wrong? She sits on her perch at night, but quiet last two days not rushing round the garden pecking and not laying eggs.

We also think that Fanny (the white one) is laying strange eggs they either have a hole in them see pic,
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or have like a nipple. excuse me) on them.
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ANy discussion would be welcome, thanks!

Mrs Tweedy (Pip)
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Have now thouroughly cleaned out hen house, given them ready brek with garlic and citricidal in it but Nigella not really interested. Going to get Flubenet tomorrow and worm them both.
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Re: Puffed up quiet chicken not laying

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Hi MrsTweedy / Pip, welcome to the forum.

I have moved your post from the photos forum to the Chickens Health forum ;)

One thought for you:

Blood in the droppings can be a sign of Coccidiosis which is an internal parasite called Eimeria. These live inside the cells that line the birds intestine. As they reproduce, they cause bleeding and swelling in the intestines. Birds loose a lot of liquid through diarrhoea and cannot absorb nutrients from their food and will soon die if left untreated. Coccidiosis normally only infects young birds. Older birds will build up an immunity over time. There are a few different kinds and there is more information on this on the Poultry Diseases and Disorders page under the "Digestive" tab.

I would take her to your vet for advice on this. They should be able to confirm it with a faeces Cocci sample and suggest a suitable treatment. It is of course very easy to say what it 'could be' but a vet should be able to do a propper diagnosis.

The first lot of eggs with 'holes' must surely be peck holes? Do you ever find broken eggs? Hens will soon get a taste for yummy eggs and it's a difficult vice to break once they get started. Perhaps you can try to collect them early in the day as they are laid and check?

I've seen eggs with 'bumps' and irregularities / excess shell like the bottom photo from some of my girls before and they have seemed to be perfectly healthy. I don't believe that's anything to worry about.

Worming is a good idea - although I would get the hen checked for possible Coccidiosis first. There have been lots of people suffering with it this year. :(
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Re: Puffed up quiet chicken not laying

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It is soooo difficult to fathom sometimes what is wrong with our chooks, usually this requres a thorough examination by a vet.
Droppings can give us a clue however, in some cases. With you hen it looks like she may not be eating much or has a kidney problem linked to her illness or as a consequence, the watery droppings look like they have an abnormal proportion of urates (white substance that in normal droppings looks like a white cap and excreted through the kidneys) cocci infection can also look like this, more common in younger birds usually higher mortality up to around 12 weeks and a more chronic outcome after that.

The other area that may possibly be a problem is the fact she is laying soft shelled eggs, this is not uncommon in new layers the reproductive sysytems of young hens can have a few "blips" in the early days. As long as the diet is balanced this usually resolves itself naturally, however, certain diseases linked to respiratory infections can cause similar symptoms

Agree with Tim it might be worth a trip to the vet, treating for worms and having them checked for cocci would not be a bad idea.
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Thanks for not deleting me Tim, I did have probs with my first post and computer refreshing will double check next time 0:-)

Okay my search for a vet that deals with chickens is on! She's out of the hen house this morning but just stood there so off to the nice vet man!

Up to now been now problems both been laying an egg a day until the last two weeks then it's been alternate days for eggs.

Thanks for the advice, I will print this out and take it to the vet with me just in case! Will keep people posted incase it helps someone else.
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Just been down to see chicken, poo is yellow and white while the other chickens is fine, have cleaned up and disinfected again so it doesn't spread, I did notice a long clear thing looking a bit like egg white that was thin one end and thick the other and wondered if that was a worm, it was clear though, not kind of solid?
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There's a list I have compiled of Poultry Friendly Vets - these have been either recommended or are specialist in dealing with Chickens. There may not be any in your area though. There is also The Chicken Vet- they have a number of associated practises listed. There may also be vets listed on other sites although I don't know whether they check the vets to make sure they have someone who has knowlege of poultry.

I would get her there ASAP and get a propper diagnosis.. As Foxy says, it's so hard to fatham what's wrong.

If you don't have Flubenvet in stock to use then the vet might be able to give you this or another wormer on prescription today if they suspect worms. My guess is you'll need to act fast as she doesn't sound well and will soon go down hill from here.

Good Luck and don't worry, we only delete spammers, it was just a little bit of house keeping ;)
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One other thought on the eggs after thinking about 'soft' eggs that Foxy mentioned, was that if the shells are very thin, it might be her nail breaking the shell as she climbs out of the nest box.

Thinking again about a hen pecking them, she wouldn't stop there and would get a taste of the egg in making the hole so would carry on and eat the egg...

I'll wake up soon and get my brain back in gear :-)12
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Re: Puffed up quiet chicken not laying

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Hi Mrs Tweedy,

In my opinion, there could be a number of issues present here and I would firstly recommend that she sees a vet.

If the bird has recently come into lay, then it is quite normal to see some egg irregularities. However, these should not persist, and if she is older than that then it may be something else which is to blame for her symptoms.

As Tim mentioned, coccidiosis could be to blame. By taking a faeces sample and getting it tested will give you an answer. You can do this at a vets, on the chicken vet website and on other sites if you would prefer to post a sample. A vet will be able to prescribe you antibiotics which will help treat the bird if it is cocci.

However, it will be worth checking for mites as a mite infestation could make the bird anaemic with a pale comb. This may also be an answer to the blood spots on the eggs, as they could be crushed red mites, rather than blood from the chicken. The small holes in the eggs could thus be blood spots on the eggs which the chickens are pecking at.

Another more serious reason for these symptoms could be a disease such as IB, which is a respiratory disease and causes damage to the shell gland.

I hope that you find out what is causing your bird’s ill health. Please let us know how she is getting on.

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Took Nigella to the vet this morning. They aren't experts but he suspected coccidiosis, he said her bottom was very clean though and he said she had a lovely coat. Her crop was empty he said that should feel full-ish and she was very thin, you could feel her breastbone, this shocked me as not noticed before but not picked her up for about 5 days. We had an anti-biotic injection that will kill off anything and everything and he said the Flubanet I ordered would be good, should come tomorrow and I ordered some ACV (apple cider vinegar) came home with her, looking half perky, immediately went out and bought some live meal worms, she did go for these and ate about 10 which was good but still not drinking. Have tried everything else, yoghurt, cheese, bread, pellets, water etc., the other chicken is having a right old party! Tried the meal worms again just now and not interested. (Unheard of with Nigella!)

Put her in a box on it's side in the garden and she has been pottering round but not looking great and her breathing seems a bit raspy, personally I think it's curtains but we can all but try. Going back to vet on Friday for 2nd injection, then Monday for final one. If this doesn't work will let nature take it's course.

Frustrated as first chicken died when we got them about 4 months ago, of respiratory problems, maybe as they were at Point of lay and a new home, possibly trauma, but she was sneezing/coughing a lot and bubbling and terrible breathing through the mouth only, she pegged it right in front of us and we thought it could have been a lary?something disease of which the other's would be carriers but hopefully survive.

Fanny the white one seems fine although I picked her up and she seems thin so been feeding her all the above. They have a full supply of meal pellets each day they never run out, shouldn't this be enough to fatten them.

Will worm both when the stuff comes through. We block off both their nesting boxes at night as they get dirty bottoms and the feathers fall out and this encourages them to perch which has been working. They are in a lovely coup and hen house regulary cleaned out with gravel and woodchip and a great bowl of sand and grit.
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All feeders and water drinkers are off the ground on hanging basket brackets although not shown in pic as was brand newly built then! . We add Citricidal to the water to stop it going green, bloomin brilliant stuff!

Just popped down to put them back in coop and she's drinking water which she wasn't before so at least she is getting fluids, perhaps those 10 meal worms gave her enough protein to boost her a bit!
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