Contaminated eggs

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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by bigyetiman » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:52 pm

I was wondering that, how they applied it, and came to the same conclusion it must have been liberally sprayed on. if that is the case it must have been a hell of a lot as it takes a long while for rain to get through to a hens skin. I have some that positively revel in getting soaked then can do the woe is me look
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by Margaid » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:24 am

Well however it was applied, and over what period, it's in the eggs.
I think the problem Marigold is that in the UK the contaminated eggs were used in processed products some of which have already been consumed by the public. They are obviously trying to prevent panic when people realise they may already have ingested some Finopril. As I understand it you have to consume a high level for a long time for it to affect humans; let' just hope that's true!
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by dinosaw » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:08 pm

On another forum they have a sticky on external parasites, a lot of disclaimers about their advice and statements in red saying that Frontline is not licensed in poultry and shouldn't be used without the advice of a vet followed by this little gem.
Babe got this information from the vet:

Quote from: Babe
I love my Vet, he's fantastic.

OK so here's what he said about frontline for chickens.

although not licensed for poultry in the UK, it is widely used and found to have great results.

use cat, kitten or puppy strength.

3-4 drops for large fowl.
1-2 drops for a bantam or smaller chickens.

Never use on a chick until fully feathered - then only 1 small drop!

always place on the back of the neck, some people will say under the wing - do not put it there!! back of the neck only.

it will kill all mites and give about 3 months cover on poultry so can be used quaterly as a preventative measure.

has shown wonderous results on scaly leg mites.

you will need to treat all your poultry the same day, to prevent cross infection

a good spray of jeyes fluid the same day in all the crooks and crannies of your coop is also advisable.

Frontline doesnt get into animals blood stream so should not affect eggs, but he says that until its poultry licensed he wouldnt like to say for certain, maybe wise to give them 5-7 days to err on the side of caution.

hope that helps.
The blind leading the blind!. It shouldn't get into the eggs, but he can't be sure mind you, even though he's a vet and paid to know about animal physiology and all that sort of gubbins.

In fairness if a vet tells you something about animals you ought be able to confidently defer to their opinion so it's not the posters fault. Surely if it isn't licensed on poultry then a vets advice ought to be, don't use the bloody stuff.
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by Marigold » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:00 pm

To be fair, 'not licensed for use on poultry' doesn't necessarily mean that it is actually harmful to poultry, just that not enough research has been done into the effects of the substance on the target group, and especially its secondary effects such as transmission into meat or eggs, though of course I totally agree that it's good to err on the side of caution. Commercial chicken farming usually relies on an 'all in, all out' management policy, whereby a batch of pullets is moved into a shed which has been cleaned and disinfected after the previous 'crop' has been slaughtered at quite an early age. Having been inoculated as chicks against common diseases, any birds that subsequently succumb are simply culled and not treated - a different situation to domestic poultry keepers, who often prefer to try to treat individual pet birds when they can. If you're just treating a pet bird with a nasty infestation, probably that would be OK so long as you didn't want to eat the eggs, - just the same as for Ivermectin. But of course that's not so for commercial outfits, so money for research studies that would establish to what extent fipronil is actually safe on egg laying birds, or on meat birds, is not undertaken because it's not cost effective. Until now, it has been presumed that commercial chicken farms would simply not use it, as it's quite expensive compared with other forms of parasite control. I find it puzzling that apparently, so many in the industry have been doing so, since as has been said, it would be extremely difficult to apply as spot-on to hundreds of birds at a time.
Fipronil is licensed for use on dogs because it is effective against some common parasites (though not ticks) and can now be bought across the counter rather than only on prescription from a vet. As nobody in this country eats dogs, it is claimed to be safe provided that the owner is very careful when applying it, so it doesn't come into contact with human skin. The implication is that it can penetrate human skin just like canine skin, or be ingested from fingers which haven't been washed and which come into contact with the mouth.
The other spot-on treatments which are used on dogs and cats that do deal with ticks are only available on prescription from a vet, so are presumably even more potentially dangerous to human health. The most recent development in this field is called Bravecto, which is given in pill form to dogs and claims to provide complete protection, including from the more dangerous kinds of ticks, for up to 6 months. However, there is much controversy over its use, since it does not only affect skin but has to travel throughout the dog's digestive and organ system and affects the nervous system as well, in one large dose, from within. Hundreds of people worldwide have reported severe and even fatal reactions in previously healthy dogs, and there's a long-running Facebook site entitled Does Bravecto Kill Dogs? with all the details. I have had a long-running argument with my daughter over this, as her vet recommends Bravecto and her dog appears to tolerate it, but I am more cautious with my little terrier, having read all the research!
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by dinosaw » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:40 pm

I use Broadline on Greta (our cat) and she is always a bit off colour the next day, apparently frontline doesn't work on cats anymore.
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by Margaid » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:52 pm

Frontline didn't work on my kittens - they came with fleas, or the eggs anyway and I ended up having to spray the carpets because it didn't work. My vet prescribes Stronghold which is Selamectin and is applied topically to the back of the neck. Mischief, like Greta (above) is always off colour the next day. Why? If these products aren't absorbed into the bloodstream, then how come the indications are Prevention of heartworm disease; Treatment of adult roundworms and Treatment of adult intestinal hookworms? These are in addition to fleas, ear mites and biting lice.

I haven't had to use it this year; I comb Mischief regularly with a flea comb and haven't found any evidence of fleas. Believe me, if he had fleas I'd be getting bitten!
By the way, it's manufactured in Belgium!
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Re: Contaminated eggs

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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by Hen-Gen » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:08 pm

Rene Magritte, Hercules Poirot, Tin-Tin, great beer. Belgians get my vote! :D
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by dinosaw » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:57 pm

Plastic Bertrand, Marouane Fellaini, Dr Evil, moules frites. Just cancelled out all your positives. :lol:
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Re: Contaminated eggs

Post by Margaid » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:47 pm

:lol: :-)07
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