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Re: barely conscious hen

Post by rick » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:17 pm

Aaaah - dont go there!
It is an unfortunate fact with chickens (well birds generally) that they don't do these things easily. Its almost impossible to find a vein in a chicken otherwise it would be easier. That said, who of anyone avoids all pain or discomfort whatsoever - we do our best and try to be swift and brave for the best when duty calls (bird logic prescribes broomsticks but exactly when is a much harder call!)
For the record, and to put things into perspective, the only 'instant switch off' method out there is a carbon monoxide chamber but that is for laboratories only and only because they want to dissect the bird with no injury or chemical trace. Absolutely lethal! I doubt that buying the bottled gas is even legally possible without strict licence and facilities. Decapitation is the next best thing (but would be messy!)
Going to the vet is absolutely fine (what else are you supposed to do?) Doing it yourself properly is absolutely fine.
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Re: barely conscious hen

Post by rick » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:39 pm

Hopefully she has made a miraculous recovery Chickenfan but if not you need to go to the vet, sign the piece of paper and then leave and trust that they know what they are doing. We all know you love your birds - you were absolutely right when I was being compulsive and inexperienced when I took on Linden (well everyone here was!)
And if anything else has happened - well there are much, much worse lots in life for a hen than getting to live at your place.
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Re: barely conscious hen

Post by chickenfan » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:10 pm

I'm no longer sure about the whole process of putting animals to sleep. Most people in poor countries (especially women) die with no medication and often in pain, but no-one ever asks to be shot (people often have guns for hunting) to be put out of their misery. Death is obviously extremely difficult but it is a natural process which requires some spiritual preparation. I'm not sure it is entirely physical and whether perhaps people and animals don't decide at some level when they are ready to 'let go'.
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Re: barely conscious hen

Post by rick » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:35 pm

Well yes, so far as if you look at the other way round in those situations where you come across a wild bird in a bad way - obviously going to hide under a bush if it can and die within 24 hours - there is no moral duty to catch it and put it out of its misery In fact you probably would fail in catching it but have just harassed it in its final day!. Hard to walk away as it is. But then I've come across rabbits with broken legs from being hit by a car and then the responsibility to do something as a human (even not being your own car) seems more pressing. Thing is, pets (if you think of them as such) are not in a natural process. Their food comes through an industry, their breeding has maintenance baggage and by breeding them or buying them from a breeder (creating a demand) the breeding is something that has been taken on with responsibility to uphold the human side of the bargain.
I'm just looking at my legbars now. They are having a pretty good time jumping up the fence to get the small, fresh ivy leaves and in a bit Ill throw them a handful of grain which will cause great excitement. They didn't choose to be here and if I freed them from all the constraints of being safe they would probably not last a week - but they would love giving it a go and die without blame or regret on their part.
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Re: barely conscious hen

Post by rick » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:59 pm

Have you ever read The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry? Its a mad and extraordinary tale but the the Fox in the story, by allowing itself to 'tamed', 'loved' by the Prince gains those things but loses its independence forever and becomes the responsibility of the Prince forever however distant in the universe they are.

its a similar flight of fancy to Jonathan Livingston Seagull
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