Dithering...good or bad sign?

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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Tweetypie » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:38 pm

I think whoever designs these tiny coops with attached runs, must be breeding rabbits!!

When I bought my coop and run (DIY flat pack) and after the hubbie built it, I was shocked and horrified, actually, that this was supposed to be for up to SIX hens. I wouldn't even allow my TWO hens in that space, hence why it was modified before I got them. Hubbie actually extended the coop in height first, then did the same to the run, with wire mesh attached . That meant that it now had extra length and height.

I still wasn't satsfied, hence OH made that external pen with 5 foot fencing around it. The external pen is approximately 20 foot x 15 foot. ( I don't do metres). To me, these hens had spent 18 months in prison and there was no way they were going back there.....

BB - keep an eye on gumtree etc, for cheap dog runs or rabbit runs for sale and see if you can modify one....
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Margaid » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:38 pm

I've just learnt something from Rick's post - about hen's vision.
Tweetypie, I think B=B has the Omlet walk in run, which looks really good but B=B just doesn't have enough of it. From the website, they can be extended easily - it's just the expense. Rabbit runs, and even dog runs may be built of quite flimsy wire which a fox will bite through. That's why "weld mesh" is so good.
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by bigyetiman » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:22 am

Who designs these tiny coops? same men who design kitchens (from Mrs BYM) so don't shoot the messenger.
You can actually hum the Star wars tune as the Bluebell stomps around dum dum dum dum de dum. But she is tough as old boots nothing ails her and still pops out the odd egg now and then which the entire population of Upminster get to hear about as she gets on top of coop and yells for about 30 mins does get a bit croaky after a while
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Tweetypie » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:18 am

Ahh yes, I see that B-B has a problem with foxes. Does that electric fencing work for foxes? Mind you, I bet it doesn't come cheap either.

I think if I started from new, I would "out" all the garden machinery from the 10 x 8 shed and put it in the garage and transform the shed into a big coop :-) (Still thinking about that)... ;-) , but the suggestion could end up in a decree nisi)
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Marigold » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:05 am

You don't need a big shed, or a big coop, (or a decree nisi!) they wouldn't use it during the day. Just a big enough walk-in run with a free-standing coop, on legs so they can get underneath it, and no space is wasted. With extra perches fitted at different heights around the run.

B-B, don't worry too much about your run size. Is yours this one? https://www.omlet.co.uk/shop/chicken_ke ... icken_run/
I just love the way Omlet photograph all their runs on perfect, untouched lawn grass!
Yes, an extension would be very good, in time, if you can afford it, but let's face it, 3 birds sharing 4 sq. metres, whilst not ideal, is more than they would have if they were living on an egg farm. If you can let them out a bit when you are there, that'll be a bonus. The end part of my run, which can be screened off, is 5 sq. metres and I could easily put three of my hens in there with no social problems once they've sorted out their initial squabbles. They'll settle down in time. The main thing at the moment in this hot weather is providing shade - lack of shade will make them restless and distressed, as they have no way of cooling down under all those very warm feathers. Birds don't sweat, and their only way of cooling is by panting to expose the damp membranes inside their mouths. Cover the top and the South and West sides with green tarpaulin if you don't have big trees overhead. You'll need to provide some shelter against wind and rain as well, before the summer is over.

When I was separating my 3 newbies from the two others a few weeks ago, I gave the part of the run with the coop to the newbies. Every night they roosted on the high bar under the roof, and I went down and put them in the coop so they got used to it. When the other two older ones joined them, the first night the two older ones roosted in the coop and the others on the high perch. Then Lily, the other leghorn, the boss, started roosting on the lower perch outside the coop. Then she moved up to the high perch with the new three. Unusually for a leghorn, she had never made her way up that high before the new ones taught her how to do it. When I tried putting her up there, she just looked nervous and flew straight down. Finally, Iris decided it was lonely in the penthouse all by herself and now all five of them sleep on the high perch. Iris and Coco are both quite big heavy birds, not the sort you'd imagine would get up there, even if they use the coop roof for a leg up. Ideal for this hot weather - better ventilation than even a coop with the pophole and all vents always open. I wonder how long it will last when the gales and cold weather comes back. I wish I could get a photo but by the time they're settled firmly enough for me not to disturb them by going in the run, it's too dark to take a pic.
And yes, I did thoroughly check the coop for redmite, no problems.
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Bantams=Banter » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:51 pm

Well, problem solved. I've felt so guilty about the comments regarding the size of my £600 coop and run set up that I phoned my friend Cath who is the wife of a local farmer and she's come and taken my Bluebelle to live on their gigantic farm.
I invested all the savings I have in the welded run because I lost two beloved rabbits to a fox that chewed through the wood frame of a run in the space of five hours one summer evening . Please don't be under the illusion that foxes can't be super determined, even in broad daylight.
Anyway, I have my two remaining girls in the safest possible situation I can. They have the run to themselves now.
The only thing that gives me some comfort is that they seem a lot less stressed now Margo has gone. They were following me around the garden this morning and then sunbathing together.
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Marigold » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:17 pm

I think that's a very good solution, B-B. Funnily enough, I recently rehomed a Bluebell who just got too much for me to handle, see this thread from about halfway down p.4 onwards; viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10593&start=30 and it was quite a relief to see the back of her and get back to a normally calm group of girls again. Odd, because mine was the first Bluebell I've had, having previously read that they tended to be very shy and retiring! I do hope yours will settle down now and you'll be able to enjoy their company with no worries. That run looks simply splendid, and really safe I should think.
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Margaid » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:27 pm

I was feeling really guilty because you rehomed your Bluebell Bantams=Banter. Then I read Marigold's post and bearing in mind BYM's Darth Vader impersonator, maybe Bluebells need a lot more space than other breeds!

I'm dithering about whether or not to return to chicken keeping and, although I don't like their hen houses, Omlet's walk in runs are very tempting when I don't have the skills to build my own secure run.
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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Tweetypie » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:40 pm

Marigold wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:05 am
You don't need a big shed, or a big coop, (or a decree nisi!) they wouldn't use it during the day. Just a big enough walk-in run with a free-standing coop, on legs so they can get underneath it, and no space is wasted. With extra perches fitted at different heights around the run.

Tweetiepie, don't worry too much about your run size. Is yours this one? https://www.omlet.co.uk/shop/chicken_ke ... icken_run/
I just love the way Omlet photograph all their runs on perfect, untouched lawn grass!
Yes, an extension would be very good, in time, if you can afford it, but let's face it, 3 birds sharing 4 sq. metres, whilst not ideal, is more than they would have if they were living on an egg farm. If you can let them out a bit when you are there, that'll be a bonus. The end part of my run, which can be screened off, is 5 sq. metres and I could easily put three of my hens in there with no social problems once they've sorted out their initial squabbles.
HI Marigold, I think you have me mixed up with the original poster Bantams-Banter, who recently acquired 3 hens and was "dithering" what breeds to get. If you recall, I have the 2 ex-batt's. Mine are in a wooden coop, with attached and enclosed pen, which was extended as we felt it was too small. It then had an additional attached outer run of around 20 foot x 15 foot ish. I now let them have the run of the large garden aswell. WHat I did say was that I may have used the large shed as a large built-in coop and converted it into a full sized coop/run, but there is no need really. :-)

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Re: Dithering...good or bad sign?

Post by Marigold » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:04 pm

Sorry! This hot weather is getting to my brain I'm afraid. I've corrected the posts, thank you for pointing it out.
Margaid, I don't think it was lack of space with Violet, just excess of bossiness!
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